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ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court on Tuesday directed the authorities to arrest Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf, television reports said.
When everything is going in an unexpected way then before making your mind for the worst. take the shocking decision and have a hope for the best.
Thats all happening in the recent days
Governor raj in spite of 20th amendment is an argue for Tahir Ul Qadri to dissolve assembly with in the Constitution
At that time the surprising decision of SC is shocking not only for the former govt but also for the laymen.
What is gonna occurre in couple of days??????
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Biased decision on planned time.
All worthy members act very shortsightedly and have adopted a very naive approach in passing remarks and arriving to conclusion.

Dear all don't be too simple to understand the nexus between court decision and Moulana Tahir Qadri's planned sit in.

In Moulana's today's speech he used the word Ex. For PM,President etc. And it was before the decision of SC.
After that decision he said,"half of my job has been done and the rest half will be done by tomorrow." What does it indicate?
For instance, if we take this happening only by chance and it is a mere coincidence then again I am not allowed and even unable to think that such things happen without any planning or deliberation in Pakistan.

So,let the cat out of bag. Time will unmask many faces just in the course of a couple of days.

I believe, all such predicaments may lead to some serious consequence not only for PPP but for the entire nation.

Once Judiciary has exterminated Pakistani Nation when they hanged ZA Bhutto,again such biased decisions won't be afforded by Pakistan anymore.

Despite the efforts of derailing democracy it would be pretty much better to let the current government commplete its tenure and then let ballot decide the Sadiq and Amin.
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If Tahir Ul Qadri get success in the challenge (which is desperately urged by his followers) what will he do then.
He should had cleared all the people of the nation about the purpose of the LONG MARCH
Tahir Ul Qadri must know that he is talking about the sensitive and much critical topic of the time.
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The Prime Minister of Pakistan is just an accused and SC can call any accused for hearing. The SC is not going to send him behind bars , nothing has so far been substantiated against him, so he is still Prime Minister of Pakistan, the saying of Maulana sb that his half work done may be just a rhetoric.

There was supposed to be a good number of law enforcement was there thn they are gradually allowing Maulana sb to stand in front of D Chowk, to make him a great leader and he want to use it as a rally at Tahrir Chowk!

What a pitty to the nation that a man comes from foreign land (being dual nationality holder, he himself is not eligible to be a member of Assembly) and starts movement and reaches at the Parliament and out of blue start demanding dissolution of Assembly and calling the President and Prime Minister ex! He is the same man, who said something else to the people of nation regarding the blasphemy law that he was the main architect, but while giving some interview to western media, he vehemently denied that he was not behind any such blasphemous law and blasphemy law is not as per islam. And this poor nation had made a pir/a savoir.... He is leading a collusion of many interest groups.... He is not having any specific agenda, the people who gathered from so many parts of the country want change, but poor people do not understand that what a change will be evolved by this manner! In case Assemblies are desolved (just before two months of normal completion of tenure of these Assemblies), the current Members of Assemblies and Government will become a Political Shaheed. And thn will start weeping in front of the poor and innocent people of the country that they were not allowed to complete tenure and next time they will deliver and the story will go on... Poor nation!
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Biased decision on planned time.
All worthy members act very shortsightedly and have adopted a very naive approach in passing remarks and arriving to conclusion.

Dear all don't be too simple to understand the nexus between court decision and Moulana Tahir Qadri's planned sit in.

In Moulana's today's speech he used the word Ex. For PM,President etc. And it was before the decision of SC.
After that decision he said,"half of my job has been done and the rest half will be done by tomorrow." What does it indicate?
For instance, if we take this happening only by chance and it is a mere coincidence then again I am not allowed and even unable to think that such things happen without any planning or deliberation in Pakistan.

So,let the cat out of bag. Time will unmask many faces just in the course of a couple of days.

I believe, all such predicaments may lead to some serious consequence not only for PPP but for the entire nation.

Once Judiciary has exterminated Pakistani Nation when they hanged ZA Bhutto,again such biased decisions won't be afforded by Pakistan anymore.

Despite the efforts of derailing democracy it would be pretty much better to let the current government commplete its tenure and then let ballot decide the Sadiq and Amin.
You must be referring to the Qadri-UK-Canada-US-Army-Judiciary-Agencies nexus? Qadri also used ex for President and Ministers, so should we expect that Judiciary would send President and Ministers as well? Did the Rental Power Plant case start recently? No, it started even before Raja Parveiz Ashraf was nominated Prime Minister. Everyone knows Raja sb had got huge kick back in this whole deal and that also before he was Prime Minister.

Secondly, why did the government themselves impose Governor Rule against their amendments in constitution? Let them rule, kill, loot the people because they are elected, is not a popular idea. This government has delivered nothing but Injustice, corruption, and incompetence to the people of Pakistan. Humans are dying by scores throughout Pakistan and the government insists on Reconciliation. People did not elect Zardari but he is ruling the country and is more than actively involved in politics, which is utterly unconstitutional.

The hereditary or family politics prevails in Pakistan as if we are living in a monarchy. What credentials does Bilawal has to rule this country or lead a party? Why should the people of Pakistan bear the imported rulers, those who can't even speak any regional or national language, lived and raised in the most elite nurture and hence has no idea of the misery and suffering of the people? If we let this continue, let only two parties who have ruled a number of times and have done nothing for this country. The people need change and if the system remains the same, change cannot be brought because tomorrow again Shareefs, Bhuttos, Chaudharies, Khosas, Khar and others would sit in Government. I am not a supporter of Qadri neither adore him but of Change. Qadri has just exploited the people.

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You must be referring to the Qadri-UK-Canada-US-Army-Judiciary-Agencies nexus? Qadri also used ex for President and Ministers, so should we expect that Judiciary would send President and Ministers as well? Did the Rental Power Plant case start recently? No, it started even before Raja Parveiz Ashraf was nominated Prime Minister. Everyone knows Raja sb had got huge kick back in this whole deal and that also before he was Prime Minister.

Secondly, why did the government themselves impose Governor Rule against their amendments in constitution? Let them rule, kill, loot the people because they are elected, is not a popular idea. This government has delivered nothing but Injustice, corruption, and incompetence to the people of Pakistan. Humans are dying by scores throughout Pakistan and the government insists on Reconciliation. People did not elect Zardari but he is ruling the country and is more than actively involved in politics, which is utterly unconstitutional.

The hereditary or family politics prevails in Pakistan as if we are living in a monarchy. What credentials does Bilawal has to rule this country or lead a party? Why should the people of Pakistan bear the imported rulers, those who can't even speak any regional or national language, lived and raised in the most elite nurture and hence has no idea of the misery and suffering of the people? If we let this continue, let only two parties who have ruled a number of times and have done nothing for this country. The people need change and if the system remains the same, change cannot be brought because tomorrow again Shareefs, Bhuttos, Chaudharies, Khosas, Khar and others would sit in Government. I am not a supporter of Qadri neither adore him but of Change. Qadri has just exploited the people.

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but here question arises about the change.
Who will brong the change?
The person who is in his bullet proof cabin and saying that he has no fear and is ready to die.
Who has all five star hotel room facilities in container.
Who is emotionally blackmailing the people by his speech.
'' agar app ne maa ka doodh piya hay to yahan se mat jana. Yeh 18 crore awam se ziadti ho gi''
'' jo iss dharnay ko chor ker gaya wo zalim hay''
'' main islamabad ko Qarbla samjh ker aaya hoon'' etc.
How can we support such change where main leader is in bullet proof cabin and life of thousands of people is at risk.

He is taking advantage of SC's order. But this order is not due to Long march. Why he started this long march when the assemblies have completed its tenure and are about to dissolve. Where was he in last five years when public was facing countless problems. I am not a supporter and will never support such change.
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but here question arises about the change.
Who will brong the change?
The person who is in his bullet proof cabin and saying that he has no fear and is ready to die.
Who has all five star hotel room facilities in container.
Who is emotionally blackmailing the people by his speech.
'' agar app ne maa ka doodh piya hay to yahan se mat jana. Yeh 18 crore awam se ziadti ho gi''
'' jo iss dharnay ko chor ker gaya wo zalim hay''
'' main islamabad ko Qarbla samjh ker aaya hoon'' etc.
How can we support such change where main leader is in bullet proof cabin and life of thousands of people is at risk.

He is taking advantage of SC's order. But this order is not due to Long march. Why he started this long march when the assemblies have completed its tenure and are about to dissolve. Where was he in last five years when public was facing countless problems. I am not a supporter and will never support such change.
As I already said, Qadri might be speaking someone else's language, he might be following someone else's guidelines but what of those thousands who are still sitting in front of Parliament House including women, children and elderly? My point is simple democracy has not delivered and just because people elect these rulers therefore they expect much from them. Change can only be brought by ballot, I agree, but do you think the system is supportive of democracy? This system has made 1% of the people of Pakistan rulers of the remaining 99%. People want to change this system and follow whosoever come up with this slogan. People supported PTI because they promoted this slogan. Qadri or the other camp all are exploiting the people. Those who were elected by means of millions of bogus votes and with a turnout of 44%. And those real rulers who were not elected at all but got the rulership in dowry. I want to change this system because this system enslaves me.

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As I already said, Qadri might be speaking someone else's language, he might be following someone else's guidelines but what of those thousands who are still sitting in front of Parliament House including women, children and elderly? My point is simple democracy has not delivered and just because people elect these rulers therefore they expect much from them. Change can only be brought by ballot, I agree, but do you think the system is supportive of democracy? This system has made 1% of the people of Pakistan rulers of the remaining 99%. People want to change this system and follow whosoever come up with this slogan. People supported PTI because they promoted this slogan. Qadri or the other camp all are exploiting the people. Those who were elected by means of millions of bogus votes and with a turnout of 44%. And those real rulers who were not elected at all but got the rulership in dowry. I want to change this system because this system enslaves me.

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offcourse their is a need of change in system. But by such inqilab system could not be changed. We can see only a change of faces for next five years and after the next five years these faces will be again in parliament (by taking advantage of syasi shaheed or by using slogan zinda hay bibi).
To change the system there is a need to educate the nation and to change the mindset of people. The change will come only if people cast their vote apart from baradri system. The system will change when people cast their vote to living people and not the graves.
We are facing changes since 1947. We distribute sweets on military invasions and then again we distribute swwets on revival of democracy.
Only problem with the system is that we are facing dictatorship of democratic governments and democracy of militry dictators. So there is only need ofimplementation of democracy of democratic government.
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The Prime Minister of Pakistan is just an accused and SC can call any accused for hearing. !
I have read the Judgement of SC. The order for arrest is given in clause 7 of the verdict.

"It appears that prima facie the Investigating Officers are not being allowed to ensure the implementation of the judgment of this Court in letter and spirit, therefore, we direct the Additional Prosecutor General, NAB that he should undertake all the necessary steps during the course of day and submit Investigation Reports to the concerned authorities and to get approved the challans/references against the accused persons and to cause their arrest without any hesitation and put up report on 17.1.2013."

Hwoever as per section 24 of NAO, only Chairman NAB is empowred to direct arrest of accused

" The Chairman NAB shall have the power, at any stage of the 3[inquiry or] investigation under this Ordinance, to direct that the accused, if not already arrested, shall be arrested."

Under the NAB ordinance all the powers are excersied by Chairman or his/her authorised officer.If Chairman NAB tender resgination, the whole proceedings will come to halt untill appointment of the new person.
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I have read the Judgement of SC. The order for arrest is given in clause 7 of the verdict.

"It appears that prima facie the Investigating Officers are not being allowed to ensure the implementation of the judgment of this Court in letter and spirit, therefore, we direct the Additional Prosecutor General, NAB that he should undertake all the necessary steps during the course of day and submit Investigation Reports to the concerned authorities and to get approved the challans/references against the accused persons and to cause their arrest without any hesitation and put up report on 17.1.2013."

Hwoever as per section 24 of NAO, only Chairman NAB is empowred to direct arrest of accused

" The Chairman NAB shall have the power, at any stage of the 3[inquiry or] investigation under this Ordinance, to direct that the accused, if not already arrested, shall be arrested."

Under the NAB ordinance all the powers are excersied by Chairman or his/her authorised officer.If Chairman NAB tender resgination, the whole proceedings will come to halt untill appointment of the new person.
Yes, these are orders of arrest of Prime Minister, but he is still accused and has not yet been convicted of the crime, as such even after arrest, techincally he will remain Prime Minister..

As regards resignation of Chairman NAB, some British newspaper claimed that the Chairman NAB has resigned and he has gone to Karachi perhaps, but to Pakistani news channels have perhaps not confirmed any such thing. ............

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