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Saturday March 18, 2006-- Safar 17, 1427 A.H.



Civil services in tatters



Ansar Abbasi

The civil services of Pakistan, once held in high esteem, are in tatters today. Far from being attractive enough to draw the best available talent amongst the country's educated youth, as has been the case in the past, the civil services are now left as an option for the average and below average.

Even for the serving civil servants there is not much left in the "central superior services" to cheer on about. Their pride for being members of the superior class in the bureaucracy has turned into shame because of a bleak future, uncertain career prospects, meagre compensation packages and ever-growing politicisation of the bureaucracy. Frustration, despondency and insecurity instead now rule the civil services thus affecting its output and productivity.

In the name of reforms, the civil services are being "poisoned" to death slowly but surely. There are 13 services/groups constituting the central superior services, commonly known as CSS groups. Unfortunately most of these groups are on the fast track of decline while some are already facing a dead-end.

The district management group (DMG), which has ruled the bureaucracy for decades, is at present in complete darkness. Its fate has hung in the balance since 2001 when the military regime's devolution plan was introduced replacing the centuries old system of district magistracy. While announcing the demise of the old system, General Musharraf had personally assured the DMGs that the group would be re-structured in line with the future needs and to ensure that it remains attractive for the present lot of DMGs as well as for those aspiring to join the civil services. Five years down the road, the DMG is still directionless and the restructuring promise remains a far cry.

The office management group (OMG), whose officers today dominate the federal secretariat, was abolished as a CSS option for new entrants into the civil services in the year 2000. It was promised that a fresh strategy would be evolved to man the lower tiers (BS-17 and BS-18) of the bureaucracy in the federal ministries and division. Regrettably despite the lapse of over five years the promised alternative has not yet been found. This situation resulted into an acute shortage of section officers in the federal secretariat.

Different proposals were made during the last six years to find a way out and overcome the shortage of the section officers but none of the rulers took any decision. Only recently the incumbent prime minister approved an ad hoc solution to this problem. He has allowed the authorities to re-employ 100 retired section officers for one year. The question of finding a permanent solution, however, has been referred to a civil service reform committee. No one knows how many more years the government will need to solve this riddle.

Just like the OMG fresh induction into the military land and cantonment group (ML&CG) was also stopped in the year 2000 but even today there is no future for the officers belonging to this group. The civil service group that was already suffering because of poor career progression prospects has gone from bad to worse with no hint of any encouraging news for its officers even in the future.

Neither the ML&CG has been reshaped nor merged into the DMG as has been proposed in the past. As if this policy of pushing the civil service groups into complete wilderness was working perfectly the government has recently decided to abolish yet another CSS group- the commerce and trade group (C&TG).

Now there will be no future induction through the CSS competition into the C&TG too. Those already serving in the group, the government said, would be considered for their possible induction into the secretariat group (SG).

Aren't the C&TG officers being befooled?

Bureaucrats belonging to the information group (IG) are also full of frustration. They were also promised a dream future but are getting a nightmarish one. A restructuring plan for the IG was prepared 4-5 years back, promising a better service structure and improved promotion prospects for its officer. However, to their bad luck the restructuring plan is still awaiting the government's approval.

The postal group too is facing a dilemma as its top cadre posts are occupied by retired officers thus leaving no room for the serving lot in junior grades to get elevated against the higher grades. The group has only one BS-22 post, which has been held by a retired general for the last five years. The railways group is yet another source of frustration for those who joined it. Its officers have really poor promotion prospects and fewer chances of getting postings outside railways. Even the once prestigious foreign service of Pakistan (FSP) is no more as attractive for its officers as it used to be in the past. Contract appointments, politicised postings and massive super sessions have caused restlessness amongst the FSP officers.

With so much gloominess for so many civil servants all around, how can we expect the bureaucracy to perform well? It is said that a corrupt and despondent bureaucracy cannot be expected to perform. The country's core civil service structure needs to be attractive enough not only to draw the best youth but also to make it a pride for the serving lot.

Ironically a proposal for the creation of an elite service is under consideration since the introduction of the devolution plan in 2001 has also fallen prey to the government's indecisiveness. In view of the changing realities and new emerging challenges, it was recommended that specialised streams in the civil bureaucracy under the umbrella of the proposed national executive service (NES) should be introduced. The plan is dumped in official files and the rulers have no time to look at it. It was not the bureaucracy alone but also the national reconstruction bureau (NRB) during its hey days that had recommended the NES' creation. One wonders if anything good can happen to the civil services of Pakistan.



The writer is bureau chief of The News in Islamabad

Email: ansar.abbasi@hotmail.com


http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/mar20...06/oped/o4.htm
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its good effort to unearth various things related to CSS
few i agree and few disagree wid the writer.
the most important according to me is the theory that NOW BEST LOT OS NOT AVAILABLE NOR IT CHOOSES TO BECOME CSP OFFICER OF THIS COUNTRY
its brain child of those who dnt knw any thing about css..........its not only writing things in NEWS PAPERS but to write wid facts and figures that too reliable not manupulated as most of ppl do........
i dnt agree wid this statement its share lack of knwoledge on part of this person!
i would take example of my own batch!
i thnk in pakistani society two professions r considered as cream and off course every budy would share my this point that these r medicene and engineering fields!
vn ever a child z born parents thnk of his/her as of either engineer or doctor!
elite class of our education system if im not wrong getting exceptional marks in matric and FSC to get admissions n professional colleges and univeristies.
Now in my batch more than 70% belong to science background and 60 % r those wid either engineering or medical background...........of those majority is of engineers!
2nd position holder z engineer,4th postion holder z doctor that toooo was working wid UNO AND then had practised n shifa internation!
so how v can say such stupid things by closing our eyes that now css dnt attract best minds...........
off course v had very low packages but it doesnt mean that v cant live in it.if gov gives other facilities and securities then its far better than getting 70,000 in private sector believe me.as i worked and have many friends who left more than what v can only imagine!
there z need of imrovment but plzzzzzzzzzzz dnt under estimate and say stupid things wid out knowing reality.
i would send copy of this posting to ansar abbassi also.will try to send list of my batch so that he can correct himself.
u can pick any batch and c how much diversity it has. u can find masters of thier fields opting for CSS.either they may b MBA,ppl wid solid science background,social science background or else but no budy has right to say such things.
i would request every budy to plzzzzzzzzzzz ist get information then say some thing.
its our delima that v just know criticism!
its hobby of most of ppl around us...........
MR.ANSAR ABASSI TAKE CARE NEXT TIME!

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Reforming the civil services



By Sultan Ahmed


BUREAUCRACY in Pakistan is in the melting pot. It is assailed from many sides. The political leaders are very dissatisfied with it. The military commanders do not approve of its performance. It is being deprived of its most lucrative territory within the government through rapid privatisation of large public sector units where they got much higher emoluments than what they get in the government proper.

On the other hand, private sector managers are taking over their jobs, the examples being that of Abdullah Yusuf, chairman of the Central Board of Revenue and Tariq Hamid, Chairman of Wapda. The World Bank and other aid agencies have voiced their dissatisfaction with the bureaucracy and want total reform in it before large-scale new aid could be given to Pakistan in several sectors.

Armed forces personnel have taken over a thousand civilian posts in the government. And the Federal Public service commission is headed by a general and more and more top civilian posts are going that way. And now there is a move for scrapping the ten per cent merit quota in the federal government services following raising of Balochistan`s quota to 6 per cent. The last meeting of the federal cabinet could not take a decision in this regard as there was strong opposition to that within it.

There has been demand for a higher quota to the rural areas of Sindh in the federal services on the basis of their backwardness, but that was opposed in the cabinet by some ministers who argued that some parts of Punjab were equally backward as is rural Sindh. These are highly sensitive issues on which decisions have to be taken with a great deal of care to avoid needless recriminations. A similar demand is being raised for promotion to top positions in the government on the basis of quota system for jobs. It was voiced at a tumultuous meeting of a special committee of the Senate where it was pointed out that Balochistan officers seldom reach the top. It was said that out of 52 secretaries in the federal setup only one was a grade 21 officer from Balochistan and he too was an acting secretary for parliamentary affairs.

It was said that out of 210 officers promoted from grade 19 to 20 during the last five years only 14 belonged to Balochistan. And Dr. Abdul Malik criticised the promotion of 10 army majors to secretary-level officers who have reportedly not cleared the Federal Public Service Commission examination. There was severe criticism in the committee on promotion or debarring of officers on the basis of secret reports of intelligence agencies which have acquired a big say in the affair. And often these reports are found utterly wrong.

There were also protests against growing examples of holders of master’s degree serving under matriculate officers. There was a report that 171 gazetted officers in the federal bureaucracy are just matriculates against 170 master’s degree holders serving in the lowest tiers of grade 1 and 2. It was said that 70 per cent of the bureaucracy consisted of undergraduates.

In such a situation, the World Bank has offered to provide funds for organisational and institutional capacity building in the public sector if the government would first reform the civil services. It asserts that the performance of the public sector cannot be improved without reforming the civil services. The bank has been reiterating this for a long time now. When the government needs large funds, particularly for the five large dams, an efficient and effective civil service is essential and it has asked the government to formulate a new strategy for good governance by June this year after a countrywide assessment of the prevailing ills and the available human resource potential.

The government has appointed a high-powered commission under Dr. Ishrat Hussain, a former governor of the State Bank of Pakistan to suggest comprehensive reforms after examining every aspect of the administration and the problem it faces. Dr. Ishrat has been at work for a long time now and what kind of recommendations he makes will be of keen interest to many.

And now a new controversy has arisen regarding the integrity or reliability of the statistics provided by the government. Doubts about the veracity of the facts and figures provided by the Central Statistical Organisation have been raised by non-officials earlier but now the officials too have joined the ranks of the doubters.

The World Bank has expressed its doubts regarding the reliability of the poverty reduction figures provided by the government. For the years 2001-05 the World Bank estimate for the reduction in poverty is half of the official claim and the World Bank continues to repeat that. The State Bank has now voiced its doubt about the authenticity of the official statistics and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has been calling for credible and reliable statistics. There is certainly need for real improvement in this area so that the figures are beyond doubt and above question. Distinct improvement is essential in the areas of inflation, money supply and income distribution.

The quality of the officials depends largely on the quality of education they receive, and that has been poor, and on what they are paid for their services. And now the ministry of education has prepared a paper for imparting education up to matric level to all children. The scheme if fully implemented will cost six per cent of the GDP and the government has to strain a great deal to find the necessary resources.

Such an objective has been claimed from time to time by successive governments without really meaning to achieve that in view of the forbidding costs. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s government was the first one to announce such a policy in 1972 and schools and colleges were nationalised and that free education was to be imparted up to the matric level. But the educational facilities available were less than adequate. So, the quality of education degenerated and the education system did not expand to meet the nationwide demand.

Then came private schools in large numbers to meet the demand for quality education, but most people could not afford their high fees. Since then, the imparting of free education up to the matric level has been the ideal of almost every government but they could not find the financial resources in spite of the rising aid for the social sector. This government too wants to make a move in that direction and has come up with a policy paper at a time when the actual outlay on education is 2.7 per cent of the GDP.

Minister for Education Javed Ashraf Qazi says the government is now determined to allocate four per cent of the GDP for education sector which is the prescribed Unesco target. There could be some adjustment here and there he says but the president and the prime minister had approved the target. According to the Unesco, Pakistan is second to Nigeria in the number of out-of-school children who total 6.5 million and 80 per cent of them had never been enrolled in a school, ten per cent were dropouts, while the remaining could go to school at a later stage.

Spending six per cent of the GDP instead of 2.7 per cent, last year’s figure, is way off now. But spending four per cent is feasible with some real commitment. But what matters is not only how much is spent but how fruitfully and purposefully it is spent and an adequate number of qualified and dedicated teachers have to be recruited and enough number of text books provided. We should not have a repeat of Sap-1 and Sap-2 with their vast waste. And there should be no ghost schools and ghost teachers galore as we had in the past.

How the government and the educational authorities are able to overcome the resistance in society to girls going to schools remain to be seen. Quality education can pave the way for a quality civil service although there can be many hindrances to that in a starkly feudal system. But if rapid economic progress and sustained high rate of growth are the objectives, then quality education is absolutely necessary. Only truly educated people can stand up for their rights and strive for democratic norms.

In such an environment we cannot dispense with merit while recruiting the officials, which at 10 per cent of the overall services is a small figure. It may result in candidates of the majority province getting in through the merit quota as well as through domicile that those from other provinces. But the federal setup has to pay its price.

In this age of technology with intense competition in the area of trade and culture merit cannot be sacrificed. If a compromise has to be reached it has to be a moderate one.

While there is a scramble for government jobs and quota system is the means to protect the interests of the provinces, the private sector, particularly the multinational companies, are paying higher salaries up to two million rupees a month.

So the government jobs are losing the attraction for those who are more enterprising and talented. Even the foreign service has lost its appeal. The success of Shaukat Aziz as an international banker shows where the private sector service can lead to. Ultimately what matters is what comes out of the report of Dr. Ishrat Hussain’s commission and how much it shows the way to good governance and reform of the system. The report should be ready early and be given effect without heedless delay.

Reference: http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/01/ed.htm#4
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it may b right but v r not concerned wid army personal nor wid any budy whoz been inducted by backdoors in civil service! or any one whoz there due to political affiliations im concernd wid those who come throgh CSS exmz no budy can challege our abilities at any forum i can through challenge if there z any budy to accept and challege our talent(csp's) he/she is most welcome..................................
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but i cant tolerate any one who wash us wid such comments so easily wid out having knowledge of the enitre situation!
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Dear Csp's, I Have Sent This Mail To Mr.ansar Abbasi As A Reply From All Those Who Share My Opinion: Please I Will Be Grateful To Recieve Ur Comments.




Dear Sir Aoa,

Voltaire Said, Not May Be Exactly In The Same Words, But Something Like " I May Differ In Opinion With U But Will Defend Till end Ur Right To Say ". I Read Ur Article Regarding The Deteriorating Condition Of The Bureacracy.. While At 3.00 O Clock In The Morning Sitting In Front Of This Information Machine Called Internet, I Decided To Share My Views About Ur Opinion.

But Befor I Try To Defend My Position I Must Admitt That My Opinion Is Little Biased, As I M The Component Of The Civil Bureacracy Whom U Called The " Selection Of Average And Below Average" In The Recent Times. Moreover I M Also The Product Of Recent Selection , So I Take Ur Compliment With Open Heart, But Not In Its Entirety.i M Also Not One Of Those Breeds Who Vehemently Oppose Others Opinion , But By Sending Anonymous Letters , Which Shows Their Weakness And Inherent Incapability Of Speaking The Truth. My Full Name Is Dr . Mian Saeed Ahmed. I ,m Doctor By Profession, Opted For Civil Services, Stood 4th In Pakistan, Topped Nwfp And Fata, And Opted To Join Police Service Of Pakistan ,as Aresult Of Css 2005 Results.am Currently On Training In The Civil Services Academy In Lahore.

Sir, Now Coming To My Opinion Regarding The Condition Of The Civil Services In Pakistan I Partly Agree With Ur Article But I Have Reservations About Ur Initial Comments Relating To The Inclination Of The Quality Of Youth Being Selected And Their Capabilities.

Sir U Will Be Surprised To Know That In Our Common Training Programme, More Than 80% Of The Probationary Officers Are Not Only Highly Qualified But Also Who Left The Jobs Of Private Sector With Lucritive Remunerations And Pay Packages.i Myself Was Working With The United Nations As Their Medical Coordinator, With Seven Times The Pay I ,m Recieving Now.other Than Me Include The Engineers Graduated From Uet Peshawar,lahore, Ned University, Nust, Gik,& Bussiness Professionals From Lums, Doctors From K.e Medical College,khyber Medical College . Likewise The Gradutes Of Govt, College University, Civil Judges .it Also Includes The Officers Of The Awc,& Ndc. Above That, We Have Our Colleagues Who Have Left Their Studies In Canada And Abroad To Join The Civil Services.

The Above Examples That I Heve Quoted Clearly Indicates That Your Statement Regarding The Selection Of The Canidiates Of Average Abd Below Average Seems To Be Sweeping.interestingly, For Me I Think That The Selection Criterea Has Become Tougher Especially For The Last Three Years Or So.starting From The Writtrn Exam , Now Question Papers In Genereral Are More Of Analytical Natue, Asking The Candidates To Express Their Views About The Problem And Not Mere Producing The Memorized Material.that Is Why For The Last Three Years Fpsc Has Been Able To Filtre Out Very Few Candidates In The Range Of Three Hundred Successful Ones.this Is Not That Lesser Number Of People Are Interested, Because In My Meagre Knowledge , The Number Of Candidated Applying For The Exam Has Exponentially Grown.it The Strict Critera Adopted In The Recent Times By Fpsc Which Has Led To This Filtration Process.now Sir Can You Justify That The Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers And Bussiness Professional ,who Are The Cream Of Every Nation, Are Average And Below Average??? It Means Doubting The Capabilities Of The Young Civil Officers Who Burn Thrie Midnight Oil To Achive This Graceful Service.it Also Means That If The Cream Of The Nation Is Below Average, Than What Is The Condition Of This Nation.and Sir How Can You Assess The Potential Of The Young Officers Before They Have Come In The Field.it Is So Unfortunate That This Conditon Of The Coutry Is The Result Of Our Old Generation And Not The New Generation, Which Still Has To Perform.

Now Coming To The Point To Which I Agree With You.that Is The Politicizing And Miserable Pay Structure Of The Civil Servants. It Is No Hidden Tyruth That Ones Potential Of Services Is Highly Compromised If The Decion Of The Officer Is Influenced By External Factors. Those Are Mostly Taken Either By The Officer Himself Or Influenced By An Elite Group Member For Vested Interes.similarly Financial Costraints Also Push The Officer Toward Corruption.for Example If We Take The Pay Of The Civil Servant In 70's And Now, Taking The Price Of One Gram Of Gold As Standard, We Can Conclude That In 2007, The Pay Of The Civil Servant Of 17 Grade Should Be Atleast 60,000 Pkr Even After Ignoring The Inflation % Increase During The Last 30 Years Or So.similarly The Pay Structure Of The Probationaty Officer Is So Meagre That It Is Impossible For The Trainee To Help Hislef, Barring The Family If He Is Also Taking Care Of His Fmily Back Home.it Is Meagre 7,803 Pkr Which After Deduction Of Mess And Laundry Charges Stand At Less Than 3,500 Pkr.this Shows That Although We Want To Change The Attitudeof The Civil Servants ,but We Are Not Ready To Change Our Attiudes Towards Them.this Needs Serious Thinking As To Reforms In The Civil Service Refers To Only Curtailing The Powers Of The Bureacracy Or Giving Them The Liberty Of Taking The Right Decision At Right Time. It Need Not To Quote The Example Of Malaysia, Whose Economic Growth And Development owe to The Strength Of The Civil Services.their Pay Structure Offers More Remuneration As Compared To The Private Sector. The Result Is Lesser Inclination Of The Officer Towards Financial Corruption.specially In Case Of Pakistan, Police Force Is Most Oftenly Used As Government Apparatus Instead Of State Appratus To Enforce Its Decision.consequently, The Rights Of The Powerless Is Comromised.this Is Not Only In Pakistan But Almost All The Under Developed And Developing Countries Where Politics Is The Game Of Power Rather Than Instument Of Welfare Of The People.so You Are Right In Saying That Civil Servant Gets Demoralized By The Injustice Done To Him.but Again Sir This Does Not Deter The Youth Of Pakistan To Join The Civil Service.instead Of Saying That In Recent Times Selection Of The Officers Is Not Upto The Mark, I Would Say That Reward Of The Cream Of Nation ,the Civil Services, Which Is The Steel Frame Of Any State Has Not Been Given In The Recent Times.


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i totally agree wid words of DR.Mian saeed!
i thnk v should invite Ansar Abassi to plz visit CSA to find facts and figures and meet this lot of young bureaucrates so that he can c the difference and have practical experience about that.
thnks saeed for this explainatory post.that would help juniors to understand exact situation and hope that new aspirants would not b confused by the post of A.Abbasi.

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agreed to Mian Saeed Ahmed sb.. brother, its a mater of fact that majority of the pple start criticising the civil services terming it to be panacea of al present problems and associating civil services with detrioriting conditions of the country. .... its a great dismay for us that pple dont try to get into the bottom of problems... i cant b a CSP, however, i m in bureaucracy... i utilized my all chances of being a CSP at age of 25.... it doesnt mean k i m not capable or inteligent, in 2002, at age of 21 my agregate was 617 with failure in english comprehension (26 marks). in 2005 my agregate was 647 with failure in english comprehension (35 marks) and last year (2006) scores in essay and comprehension were 56 and 53 respectively and agregate 595 alas i missed paper of forestry, thinking it to be at evening but it was at morning.. any how, it was Almighty's will, whom we call luck....

coming to point, for an example i would tel my personal experiences in a class, i took admission in Msc Pakistan Sudies of Open University explicitly for the purpose of css, by HIS grace it ended........ during its workshops i personally held fierce discussions with many of teachers in the class who were using bureacracy and CSPs as their favourite pinching bags and its a great dismay k none from the audience of 60 to 80 spoke any thing except me, by HIS grace i stood and remained firm on my ground to justify the position by reasoning,, they certainly had no solid reasoning, and becuase of my this attitude i had to face the music later in shape of low scoring in assignemnt marks etc. and also had to face stern attitude of some of the class fellows majority from the teachers folk, as i thought k parents and teachers are the makers of nation and i quoted them often ...they thought to do away with me, but realized from my get up and over all setup that i m a tough fish to be swallowed and they started buttering in front and in back used to __ any how, i m still satisfied k what i did was right and i stood on right thing,,, the thing is that k some pple use to get the others shoulders to put blame of Pakistan's tarnishing image and for their most favourite pinching bag is civil services... i personally know a number of CSPs and though there r some black sheep but as a lot its the back bone of the over all governmental administrative set up and can be instrumental in making destiny of nation provided they are given good setup/lucrative pays/benefits

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salam dear Ansar .Abassi sahab!

hope u would b f9,and enjoying good health as its evident from ur writings in daily NEWS.
i came across ur artical that was published in a English daily few days ago.
being civil servent i think its my right to convey my feelings and analyse what u have written.coz ur articals r directly affecting thsoe who r aspirants and wana join this elite service of country.
let me tell u sir,
that i dnt agree wid ur starting comments in which u flately said that nowadays this elite service is unable to attract best lot of country.i dnt knw y u said that may b due to the fact that since last few years FPSC result shows decline in number of passing candidates?or any thing else.....

im basically Engineer wid specialization in telecom sector.YES the most lucrative Telecome sector nowadays in pakistan wid techincal persons getting handsm pays and facilities which a person only dreams in other sectors.
i worked in telecom sector for 3 years and was part of a multinational firm vn i left it and joined Civil service of pakistan.u would surprised to knw that i was getting best in that job.my pay was 10 times of wht its.wid long list of facilities which u knw these multinationals offer to engineers.
But i left and now im part of so called tattered civil service.
im not the only one who has done so.

i m from 34th common u can visit CSA any time would find most of ppl who had left much more lucrative jobs than me!

my point to make is that still v have best of best in this eilte service coz no budy gets it in plat.
in our batch v have 70 to 80 percent highly qualified officers most of then either doctors or engineers which r considered to b cream of our society.besides them v have ppl who r master in thier respective fields.ppl from IBA,LUMS,NED,UET LAHORE,UET PESHAWAR,UET TAXILA,NUST,GIK....KHYBER MEDICAL COLLEGE,KING ADWARD etc.
if FPSC has formulated policy to give us cream of nation wid strick meausres becoz if they work strickly then v would get best lot and thats wht they r doing by passing below 300 since last 3 years. then plz dnt take it like that now no budy wants to join this service.

our topper was DD in NAB WORKED FOR FIVE YEARS,2nd position holder is engineer from NUST, 3RD POSITION HOLDER WAS JOURNALIST.4TH POSITION HOLDER IS DOCTOR FROM KHYBER MEDICAL COLLEGE.U WOULD FIND THAT ALMOST 90% OFFICERS here now were doing good jobs its not like that they couldnt get job and were waste of society thats y they joined this service to face thier skin.

NOW

I agree wid u that there r various pressures on a civil servent that must b adressed by the ppl sitting at the apex.that includes POLITICAL PRESSURES,SOCIETY PRESSURES AND MOST IMPORTANT IS FINANCIAL PRESSURES.
v r getting a shamful pay of 7803 pkr our which there use to b deductions of mess etc and at the end of the day v r left wid round about 3500 pkr.so its impossible to live in that specially if u have to support families as well.
if v take example of any developed nation(Malysia,UK...USA) v would find that country has progressed due to efficient bureaucracy.offcourse v would find that they r very well paid so that they can work and concentrate on national matters rather than own and family
matters.thaty they cant b obliged by society nor by any other pressurse that may b in any shape.

In the end i would like to request u to plz concentrate on this issue so that v can grow as a nation like other countries coz civil servents r back bone of any nation.if v can give strength to it im sure v would progress so
LETS FULLFILL OUR NATIONAL DUTY.
IF I GET STRENGTH, I WOULD GIVE U DEVELOPED NATION

THANKS

DEAR SIR......

thanks dear SIR......
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