Govt has finally decided to give pension to all those judges who did not accepted PCO, including Mr. Iftikhar ch.
Mr. Iftikhar ch will get 1 lac / month, other judges of SC will get 94 1/2 thousands/ month, & Judes of High Courts will get 89 thousands/ month.
In addition 2 this, every Judge will b given a vehicle, a servant & free telephone.
A good news after many days

@ ihs

Thanks for posting this information. However, do you really think it's a good news. Pension is given to retired people and if these judges have been forced to retire, that means Pakistan has been deprived of people who stood up for the rule of law. Is that a good news?

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Ji han agar deposed Judges sahiban ko apni pensions ki itni hi fikr thi tu. I think this news alleviate some tension of Judges who deposed by Musharraf. Isi lye tu kehten hein kay "Apna martra hay tu chyoon mein phekta hay".

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@ enlightened
of course it is a good news as the chief justice was not accused of any monitary corruption at all. so at least, he ll b having some good amount to live. as far as RULE OF LAW is concerned, it is a problem in Pakistan that we want rule of law from others but not for our ownselves. Analysis should b above emotions.... I still remember the capital talk & AAJ WITH KAMRAN KHAN K SAATH on GEO before 9 march 2007( before the refrence), in which ANSAR ABBASI clearly showed the documents indicating how easily DR ARSALAN ( s/o Mr Iftikhar Ch) crossed all the barriers of regulations which is otherwise IMPOSSIBLE 4 a grade 17 officer. How it became possible? He also showed that some orders unpreccedented in the history of Pak were issued by P.M secretariat 4 Dr. Arsalan. This phenomenon shows that if executive was accomodating the justice 2 avoid his wrath, the justice, on the other hand, was also taking full advantage of govt's lacunae.
i also remember the CAPITAL TALK in which Hamid Mir said that if Justice Chaudhry is being trialed, why an other Judge of supreme court is spared who got his two daughters admitted in a medical college. ( He latter wrote this in his column in Jung) ( 4 ur info that man has also not taken oath under PCO)
I also know the DPO personally who was badly humiliated by C.J 4 minor protocol lapse.( Justice ch demanded the protocol which is not otherwise allowed to CJ)
Anyhow, as i said the analysis should b above emotions, He had good qualities too
1. He took up the case of missing people ( the only reason I like him & pray 4 his better life)
2. he took up steel mill case
3. he took SUO MOTO actions ( though some of them were simply ridiculous) which gave relief 2 many ppl
In the whole scenario, i feel that news of Pension is a good news & i repeat that it is the irony of this country that we want RULE OF LAW FROM OTHERS BUT NOT FOR OURSELVES
@ predator
dear aap k urdu k MAHAVRAE ki samajh nai aae plz make it simple

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Well I am aware of those issues that you have mentioned above. However, if Ch. Iftikhar was to be humiliated the way he was then so should have been those other judges and every one else who are involved in similiar cases. The question here arises, so who should be responsible for doing this and how. Do you think Musharaf was right by inviting Ch. Iftikhar to his house and forcing him to quit?

I agree with you that Ch. Iftikhar should have received his punishment for getting his son the CSS post unfairly but there is a way of doing that and that's not by inviting him to president house and forcing him (at least in my opinion).

I think that's minor issue relative to the motivation behind why Musharaf wanted to remove him. I am sure you are well aware of it. The credit I give to Ch. Iftikhar for standing up to a dictator. I look at it in this context that the reason he is removed from his post is not because how he got his son CSS post but because he was a problem for Musharaf. If Musharaf was so concerned about that he would have done it to all those other people too. Furthermore, ain't Musharaf the one who has made the deal with Benazir Bhutto to forgive her corruption cases which is worth millions of dollars. Why does not he do the same thing to her. Why is he making deal with her for next term government? There is much more to say about this but I will confine it to what I have already written.

We can be happy for Ch. Iftikhar to receive his pension and live his life happy. Furthermore, I have heard Ch. Iftikhar to be awarded by lawyer society of Harvard University and I am sure he might be able to get an offer to teach in one of these prestigious universities in U.S too. However, that's not the point. The point is that we should support the person who is standing for justice that would improve our justice system.

The difference I see in Musharaf's and Ch. Iftikhar's approach is that one thought of himself supreme and took law in his own hand while other tried it in court, the very institution that our whole society considers the system to be tried such cases. Only a system with "checks and balances" and equal for all can prevail in long term to help sustain a progressive society not a military ruler. He stood for this principle and that's why I support him.

On the other hand, Musharaf made a U-turn on all the good things he did like freedom of media, making deals with the very politician he wanted to bring to justice and independence of courts. He stood against Musharaf for this case that's why I support him.

That's why we can agree to disagree, but I think it's sad that such a man has been deprived of his fight in such unjust way and keep him quite for ever. Furthermore, I am concerened about future of such nation where we are happy for such a person to be only paid for his principles rather than in times of need join hands and support the struggle that we see is good for future of our whole nation.

How long will it take for us to make our court system independent of outside influences and give it power to bring anyone and every one to justice who violates law? I hope lawyer movement suceeds, however I am happy that Ch. Iftikhar has shown the direction.

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@enlightened
i m happy 2 see ur committment to rule of law.

i never wanted to compare musharraf with ch iftikhar, in the comparison, the later is definitely much much much superior. there is no question of comparison. i m amazed how u got the impression that i wanna make a comparison. i simply wrote the goods & bads of ch iftikhar ( nothing less nothing more).
one thing i wanna make it clear that it was not Musharraf who CALLED ch iftikhar to army house but it was ch iftikhar who himself went to army house to meet musharraf.
in a program of ARY, a minister & one of ch's lawyer (who is a retired justice)were sitting & minister said the host ( kashif abbasi) that plz ask him whether musharraf called justice 2 army house or he himself went. the lawyer replied that now this issue has become irrelevent. the minister said ok i dont mind but ppl ve understood that ch iftikhar himself went. even on this remark, the lawyer remained silent. govt also admitted that the initial notification was issued in a haste & the word CALLED was a mistake. in the army house, whatever happened was simply shameful.
i ve written this just to correct the record, i hope it will not b taken as a comparison b/w ch iftikhar & mushi

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The reason I gave Mushy's examples are not compare them but what is he standing against and why it's important to support him.

My point is that, a man who stands against oppression should be supported. Justice should be served to every one and no one should be above the law. What's important is to be clear about what will take us there. I think in the current situation, it's important that C.J should be supported. Thus it's sad that they have been retired and deprived of their struggle. More sad, that we are only happy for his pension when it's unquestionably important for this movement to survive so we have examples for our future generations to stand up against oppression. May be then we can expect a rule of justice at least in future. However, if this dies so will the motivation of any future C.J and we will be thrown back in time.

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giving pension to the judges is just like murdering someone and favouring him by laying floral wreaths at his grave...........

@enlightened
dear, theoratically u r 100% right....... the way justice iftkhar is removed is condemnable & he should b restored............ but what about the practical aspect. if he is not given pension & other benefits of retirement, from where he will run his family.... All of us know that life of officials go on monthly salary and if salary is stopped, life becomes a nightmare 4 honest officials, let it b chief justice.......... moreover, the planning of an honest official after retirement much depends on the monitary previliges given at the end of service, if all of them r stopped at the end of the day, he comes in a thick soup........ yes, the pension is not imp 4 the movement against musharraf, but it does matter 4 ch. iftikhar's family, 4 his school going daughter, and his seriously ill son.
if u r sad on this news, u ve full right to do so, but i m extremely happy on this news coz in this way, he will b getting all the priviliges of a retired chief justice till his last breath & he will not b dependent on anyone else 4 petty monitary issues (if he is not restored)

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Well let me ask you these questions:

1) When you talk about receiving pension to take care of his family, why do you forget that he can be in office receiving his salary as he did before and take care of family as well as serve the nation?

2) Where can he have more influence on justice system while being retired or while serving as a chief justice like before?

I am not sad because he is receiving pension. I am sad because the progress that our justice system was making has been crippled. I understand your perspective too and off course if nothing else was to happen of justice system and we had to accept that he cant serve anymore for whatever reason. Yes, then it would have been the best for him to at least receive his pension. However, I think government is fooling people here by giving them pension to show themselves as the good guys. While the fact is that government has hindered progress that could have been later used as stepping stone for further progress in other systems.

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