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Default Words of Logic, Rationality & Wisdom

Once Haroon Rasheed, Abbasid Caliph asked Behool ,

Is there any restriction in eating grapes in Islam?

Behlool replied, No there is no such restriction...

Haroon asked, Can a person drink water after eating grapes?

Behlool replied, Yes one can drink water after eating grapes...

Haroon Rasheed further asked, Can a person bask in sunshine after eating grapes & drinking water?

Behlool replied, Yes a person can bask in sunshine after eating grapes & drinking water.


Then Haroon Rasheed at once asked, why Alcohol is forbidden( Haram) in Islam? as alcohol is extracted by processing grapes with water in sunshine.


Then Behlool asked Haroon Rashid,
Will it cause any pain to your body if i place some sand over your head?

Haroon replied, No, it will cause no pain to my body..

Behlool asked, Can mixing water with sand over your head, cause pain to your body?

Haroon replied, No, it will cause no pain to my body..

Behlool asked , After mixing sand with water over your head if you bask in sunshine, will it cause any pain?

Haroon replied, No it will cause no pain to my body.

Then Behlool asked Haroon, If i hit your head with a rock made up of mixed sand & water,will it cause any pain to your body?

Haroon at once replied, Are you in your senses! definitely, it will cause pain to my body..

Behlool then smiled & replied, Processed Alcohol harms the body in the similar way as the Processed rock harms the body.

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Hazrat Behlool dana was the disciple Hazrat Imam Musa Al-Kazim ,The Great Grandson of Prophet Muhamaad(SAWW).
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Default What Prophet(SAWW) Demanded from companions & followers of Islam as reward?

What Prophet(SAWW) Demanded from his companions & followers of Islam as reward for preaching Islam?



Surrah 42,verse 23:

[42:23] That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it( Preaching Islam) but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful.


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(Say) O Muhammad, to your Companions; and it is said: to the people of Mecca: (I ask of you no fee) no payment (therefore, save loving kindness among kinsfolk) except that you treat kindly my kinsfolk after me.

Who Demanded? = Prophet(SAWW)
What demanded? = love for progeny/near relatives
& From whom demanded? = companions & followers of Islam



Persecution of Holy Prophet's progeny after the departure of Holy Prophet(SAWW) & event of Kerbala(61 Hijri) depicts that Muslims forgot the above mentioned verse.Persecution of Sadaats during Ummayad & Abbasid Periods, is also worth mentioning.

This verse commands the Muslims to love the Ahl ul Bayt if they want to repay the Holy Prophet for his toils of Prophethood, so that they should follow the Ahl ul Bayt in word and deed, because they have been thoroughly purified by Allah Himself, because they are the truthful, because they are the custodians of the word of Allah, because they alone know the true interpretation of the guidance sent for all mankind.


So the respect of Prophet's progeny is obligatory upon every Muslim,like other rituals,as it is demanded By Prophet(SAWW) on the orders of Allah Almighty.
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our teacher of Islamic Psychology enforces us not to argue over what Quran says. He says do not ask the question why. When you are told to perform some thing by God, it is the requirement of learning and respect that do not misconduct by asking any question. I have different opinion. I believes that a Muslim can think of even the very revelation of Quran and Muslim should justify any divine order according to its sense. Can you please provide me any Verse from Holy Quran which allows one to think over logic.
[25:73] Those who when they are reminded of their Lord's signs, they do not fall on them deaf and blind.

I agree, the attitude of your Islamic Psychology teacher does not conform to Quran's point of view about faith. We must inquire and understand everything thoroughly before believing in it. If we can do this, no one can deceive us through phony teachings in the name of Allah and Messenger. The correct method in my humble opinion to do this is to set ONE criterion through which everything related to Islam can be judged and measured, which should be Quran (Furqan means criterion). If you have a thorough and sincere understanding of Quran, you can instantly point out which hadith/quote/opinion is correct and which is dubious.

The problem is that rational and logical dialogue with many people is very difficult. Because whatever many people learn through their family and sectarian teachings, they are very stubborn to forego it because of pride and vanity.

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[42:23] That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it( Preaching Islam) but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful.

The correct translation of this verse is given as:
[42:23] ...Say, "I do not ask you for any wage, except that you show compassion to your relatives." ....

There is no pronoun in the verse that indicates that Prophet is asking compassion for his own relatives, it is a general commandment. Everyone should look after their relatives. Apply simple logic here, if you ask people to love and care for your relatives, you are asking them a personal favour, which contradicts the preceding part of the verse. But if you tell them to look after their own relatives, that does not count as asking for a personal reward.

Edip Yuksel, in "Quran: A Reformist Translation" writes about (42:23):


This verse is mostly abused by Shiite clergymen. They claim that prophet Muhammad was ordered to ask help for HIS relatives. The special status given to the descendents of Muhammad through Fatima and Ali, supported by a distorted meaning of this verse has created a privileged and "sacred" religious class. Hundreds of thousands of bearded leeches in Iran, Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries claim that they are descendents of Prophet Muhammad (Sayyeed or Shareef) and that they are thereby entitled to obligatory financial help. They abuse the verse mentioned above to exploit people economically. However, the verse does not say "my relatives." The context of the verse is plain enough to state that Muhammad does not need a wage from the believers and if they can help somebody, they should help their own relatives. Indeed, helping the relatives is a divine command repeated in 2:83; 4:36; 8:41; 16:90. Also, see 33:33.

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There is no pronoun in the verse that indicates that Prophet is asking compassion for his own relatives.
Then why you used pronoun "your relatives" in your translation of verse.There is no such pronoun. verse is "Illa Mawadat fil Qurba" not " Illa Mawadat fil QurbaKUM"


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Apply simple logic here, if you ask people to love and care for your relatives, you are asking them a personal favour, which contradicts the preceding part of the verse. But if you tell them to look after their own relatives, that does not count as asking for a personal reward.
The day when you will be able to understand the logic behind " There is no God, BUT Allah. - La illah..." you will understand the logic behind " I do not ask any reward for it (preaching Islam) BUT love for my near relatives. - La asal o kum..."

Prophet(SAWW) can say that , "There is only one GOD ,Allah" But he said "There is no God ,but Allah". If anyone say, there is no God, he becomes Atheist, unless he says, "There is no God ,but Allah"


You prefer "Edip Yuksel's translation" over " Tafsir-Ibne-Abbas" (The most authentic Quranic commentary(Tafsir) of Sunni School of thought).This depicts .....

Every Muslim loves Ahlul Bayt & considers it an important part of their faith.
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Then why you used pronoun "your relatives" in your translation of verse.There is no such pronoun. verse is "Illa Mawadat fil Qurba" not " Illa Mawadat fil QurbaKUM"
Because that is the only explanation left. The only relatives you can show compassion to are your own. Unless you belong to a particular sect.


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You prefer "Edip Yuksel's translation" over " Tafsir-Ibne-Abbas"
You can read other translations besides Edip Yuksel, and analyze the grammar yourself. Translation is for understanding Quran, but tafseer can be used to distort a text towards sectarian teachings.


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(The most authentic Quranic commentary(Tafsir) of Sunni School of thought).This depicts .....
I don't belong to the sunni sect.


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Every Muslim loves Ahlul Bayt & considers it an important part of their faith.
My faith does not make it a necessary condition for my salvation. Idol worshipping is forbidden in monotheist Islam.




I will read your reply with respect, but I will not comment any further on your sectarian beliefs. Peace.
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