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Old Saturday, May 15, 2010
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I know when our religion had given rights to women as far my knowledge is concerned,one must not prognosticate anything without getting what has been asked to him or her.
It was you,who said that this topic isnot concerned with the women right in your previous post kindly take a look over that post.
Moreover,If a woman is going against another woman,cannot be called as she is abusing the rights which have been given to her about 1430 years ago?
Islam allows four marriages over certain conditions despite of this most of the women arenot going to accept the reality which is a part of the divine law.
Divine Laws will remain intact till Dooms Day. I wanted to express about "Women Rights" that it is bestowed hundreds of years ago and as a Muslims we must ensure them, why we failed to provide the women their due status in the society despite the fact that we claim as champions of Islam.

What do you mean by woman dominance? Don't men rule in our society and at liberty what they want and they can. Your topic was dominance, backbiting etc now you included four marriages which is off the topic. Please stick to the your points and don't change the track.

We declare them responsible for all the allegations as claimed by you and according to my analysis your observations are wrong it can be found in both the sexes you can't blame one of them. In case if an issue arises between mother in law and daughter in law, so the men are equally responsible because they are undisputed heads of family and in case of failure men can be termed as unsuccessful administrators.


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Last but not the least,My Brother i donot need to get knowledge from wikipedia because its articles can be edited by anyone.However,i am thankful to Allah who has given us a book (Quran)which is more sufficient,authentic and error free than wikipedia so i do follow this book.
I referred you to wikipida to enrich your knowledge about Mukhtara Mai case, read again my previous post, not about Islam. If you don't trust on wikipedia then consult another authentic source which will help you to understand the ground realities.
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There is no doubt,men are also following such actions which are commonly found in women but tell me one thing?
Have you ever watched any drama on tv?
most of the indian as well as pakistani dramas are made on the roles of women such as class between mother in law and daughter in law why?
common on we are not here to discuss wat indian dramas present.we are here for some intellectual discourse these dramas cater to illeduated, socially restricted, overburdened housewives who take pleasure in local gossip and wat these dramas do is turn this gossip in malicious, mind numbing scheming.
can u say that simple housewives can have contact no.s of international thugs as these plays present or a simple maiden can turn doctor, engineer or lawyer at her will. i mean dont let indian and some of pakistani plays take u away from reality. women do indulge in gossips and back biting. they are invoved in leg pulling bt the reason for these ills is lack of quality education and some free time same r the reasons for similiar behaviour in men.
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common on we are not here to discuss wat indian dramas present.we are here for some intellectual discourse these dramas cater to illeduated, socially restricted, overburdened housewives who take pleasure in local gossip and wat these dramas do is turn this gossip in malicious, mind numbing scheming.
can u say that simple housewives can have contact no.s of international thugs as these plays present or a simple maiden can turn doctor, engineer or lawyer at her will. i mean dont let indian and some of pakistani plays take u away from reality. women do indulge in gossips and back biting. they are invoved in leg pulling bt the reason for these ills is lack of quality education and some free time same r the reasons for similiar behaviour in men.
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Undoubtedly,women are indulged in gossips.If they have nothing to talk,they talk about nothing.And,Back bitting is another factor which is being found in majority of woman.However,the reason for this all controversy is not quality education.moreover, the educated and well reputed women are also involved in this menance.They even perform such acts more actively and technically as compare to uneducated women.Further,the back bitting and gossips are found to be in both, man and woman.The more gossip and back bitting lead them towards conflict.And, this conflict has been rightly define by karl marx,a great sociologist, that where there is a conflict there is a shade of improvement.So,it is conflict through which man and woman pave the way towards improvement.lastly,Let us not forget that man is a social animal.So, being a social animals gossip is the part of our lives.But, consciousness while sommunicating should be adopted through which we can overcome this flaw of back bitting.

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Undoubtedly,women are indulged in gossips.If they have nothing to talk,they talk about nothing.And,Back bitting is another factor which is being found in majority of woman.However,the reason for this all controversy is not quality education.moreover, the educated and well reputed women are also involved in this menance.They even perform such acts more actively and technically as compare to uneducated women.Further,the back bitting and gossips are found to be in both, man and woman.The more gossip and back bitting lead them towards conflict.And, this conflict has been rightly define by karl marx,a great sociologist, that where there is a conflict there is a shade of improvement.So,it is conflict through which man and woman pave the way towards improvement.lastly,Let us not forget that man is a social animal.So, being a social animals gossip is the part of our lives.But, consciousness while sommunicating should be adopted through which we can overcome this flaw of back bitting.

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didn't get ur comment. how can gossip and back biting bring improvement. my personal opinion is that both the habits are negative bt present in both males and females. one should try to control these negative tendencies and that is the test our religion as well as moral codes of the whole humanity want man to pass.
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It has been noticed in the society that most of the actions of women are more prominent than man which have had affected their moral values.
For instance,
Back bitting,
Dominance,
Shrew behaviour,
Intolerance etc
Despite of enjoying Women rights,many women are hatching plot against eachother in the form of daughter-in-law,mother-in-law etc in our society.
My Question is that inspite of having all women rights,most of the women are abusing their own rights by beating the drums of conspiracy against eachother?

Note: All women are requested not to take this issue as personal

Yes, this is true... and as family is the most important part of any society, and these traits are becoming prominent specifically in family institution ...the whole society and nation is in trouble as we are witnessing now in these days...the moral degradation...the metarialism...the increasing ratio of depression ...

But i would say that men are not innocent,they do often idulge themselves in these things and some times do aggravate the situation by becoming tools in the hands of some women...

Men and women both are accountable for their deeds before Allah...
And it is in Islam that men and women should corporate with each other in doing good things...ofcourse not in bad ones.So evey person whether men and women must held their individual thinking and judgement...in every relation ...and the feuds b/w mother in law and daughter in law can be solved easily if the son and husband maintain a fair judgement and balance of realtions ...



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