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It has been noticed in the society that most of the actions of women are more prominent than man which have had affected their moral values.
For instance,
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Intolerance etc
Despite of enjoying Women rights,many women are hatching plot against eachother in the form of daughter-in-law,mother-in-law etc in our society.
My Question is that inspite of having all women rights,most of the women are abusing their own rights by beating the drums of conspiracy against eachother?

Note: All women are requested not to take this issue as personal.
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You observation is totally wrong. It is male dominant society and they rule. Some moral evils mentioned by you are not specific to women, it is also found in men and it is a personal matter we can't force someone to be tolerant, well groomed and avoid backbiting etc.

If they are hatching plots against one another then it's again their personal matter we can't abstain anyone from such actions by law or legislation. I think women rights is something different from these things and these are not related to each other.
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You observation is totally wrong. It is male dominant society and they rule. Some moral evils mentioned by you are not specific to women, it is also found in men and it is a personal matter we can't force someone to be tolerant, well groomed and avoid backbiting etc.

If they are hatching plots against one another then it's again their personal matter we can't abstain anyone from such actions by law or legislation. I think women rights is something different from these things and these are not related to each other.
How could u claim that my observation is baseless?
As far dominance of men in the society is concerned,is not related to the asked topic.
However,this isnot the issue that whether men is more dominant than women ornot.
Anyhow,The topic i have broached,is that most of the women are hatching plot against eachother in this sense,despite of knowing moral values of religion why most of the women are going against it.

Note: You have mentioned in your post that this is the personal issue?
Was the issue of mukhtara maai not personal? Had it any relation with other women?if no then why campaign was started on the name of women rights?
Think over the note ,or thora sa aaram karlo phr post karna
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It has been noticed in the society that most of the actions of women are more prominent than man which have had affected their moral values.
For instance,
Back bitting,
Dominance,
Shrew behaviour,
Intolerance etc
Despite of enjoying Women rights,many women are hatching plot against eachother in the form of daughter-in-law,mother-in-law etc in our society.
My Question is that inspite of having all women rights,most of the women are abusing their own rights by beating the drums of conspiracy against eachother?
aoa we are in habit of looking one side of the picture.Ours is an indoctrinated society and thinking inclusively and unconventionally is the least which should be expected from such a society.i appriciate your thinking in this context that you have somehow thought out of the box,though it could have sound convincing too if it were said by some female,rather by a male,somebody who is already considered, and deserve to be considered, prejudiced against women.

Regarding your ideology whether women do or do not misuse their numbered privileges i'd say that i do agree with what you have said.but this agreement is qualified.i must say that such behaviour can be adopted even by men if they are subject to the same level of insecurity and idleness to which women are subjected in our society.
They are insecure and idle in the sense that their lives in our society has no purpose and they have no means of survival both financially and emotionally except to depend on whoever is their gaurdian.
Islam has enjoined seeking knowledge,upgrading of oneself,enjoining good and forbidding evil etc for both the men and women.
unfortunately our women dont take such commandments for themselves and has turned out to be the most apathetic and inactive member of society,this is how they are indulging themselves in such ignoble activities and thats how the rate of women involved in such acts is greater than that of men.
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Regarding your ideology whether women do or do not misuse their numbered privileges i'd say that i do agree with what you have said.but this agreement is qualified.i must say that such behaviour can be adopted even by men if they are subject to the same level of insecurity and idleness to which women are subjected in our society.
I agree, in a male-dominated society it is impossible for women to act otherwise than the dictates of human nature, which apply to both sexes in any contemporary society. Blaming women only for such behaviour is over-simplification and ignorance of the above fact.
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It has been noticed in the society that most of the actions of women are more prominent than man which have had affected their moral values.
For instance,
Back bitting,
Dominance,
Shrew behaviour,
Intolerance etc
Despite of enjoying Women rights,many women are hatching plot against eachother in the form of daughter-in-law,mother-in-law etc in our society.
My Question is that inspite of having all women rights,most of the women are abusing their own rights by beating the drums of conspiracy against eachother?

Note: All women are requested not to take this issue as personal.
Dear,I will not completely disagree with you..its true that woman'nature is different than a man'nature..she is emotional and thats why intolerant..
she is curious about others,thatwhy Back bitting is her nature..Holy Prophet said"there will be more women in Hell than men,and its just because of their Back bitting' habit'...You said despite "having all rights women are abusing their own rights"..here.i will disagree with your point of view,still women are deprived of their rights..women feel so insecure about their future..thatswhy,as a daughter-in-law,mother-in-law,she becomes more possessive about her husband/son...a mother-in-law thinks after his son'marriage now she has lost his son,on the other side,young lass dont like the interferance of her mother-in-law their in personal matters...this thing is one of the major causes of houshold quarrels...
There is nothing in your post,which could annoy a lady as we should accept our faults and try to change our wrong behaviour without adopting stubborn atitude..
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Time has changed and now men have also adopted some of the habits which are attributed women only. Backbiting is the favorite topic of men and they have surpassed women in jealousy as well. Mr. ! women still leg behind in all walks of life then how you claim that women want to be dominant in the society? Dominance of men is related with the topic because women are denied all types of opportunities to move ahead of men despite constitutional protection. Legally women status is accepted but it is not accepted by men chauvinists wholeheartedly.

Mukhtara Mai case is very different from your points; I refer you to wikipedia to enrich your knowledge about that terrible incident. “Women rights” is a wrong concept as propagated by so-called NGOs and media. We should be shameful as Muslim that we still legislate for women rights whereas our religion elevated their status hundreds of years ago. “Women Rights” and “Women Empowerment” is a foul play started by uncivilized and barber nations and you now better that we copy them in every matter to pacify them and testify our slavery.

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..women feel so insecure about their future..thatswhy,as a daughter-in-law,mother-in-law,she becomes more possessive about her husband/son...a mother-in-law thinks after his son'marriage now she has lost his son,on the other side,young lass dont like the interferance of her mother-in-law their in personal matters...this thing is one of the major causes of houshold quarrels...
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thanx crown prince for saying some sensible things. waqar! its not abt men doing this and women that its abt lack of educatiion. not formal bt social and religious education. generalizing and genderizing is not the way of educated ppl we should see ppl individualistically. there r ppl with bad habbits and they can b men or women. if women back bite so does men and havent u seen the behaviour of men in public with women how they stare and try to take women forgranted i mean i back biting is bad so it harassing female co workers
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I agree, in a male-dominated society it is impossible for women to act otherwise than the dictates of human nature, which apply to both sexes in any contemporary society. Blaming women only for such behaviour is over-simplification and ignorance of the above fact.
yes n indeed its cynicism....
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Dear,I will not completely disagree with you..its true that woman'nature is different than a man'nature..she is emotional and thats why intolerant..
she is curious about others,thatwhy Back bitting is her nature..Holy Prophet said"there will be more women in Hell than men,and its just because of their Back bitting' habit'...You said despite "having all rights women are abusing their own rights"..here.i will disagree with your point of view,still women are deprived of their rights..women feel so insecure about their future..thatswhy,as a daughter-in-law,mother-in-law,she becomes more possessive about her husband/son...a mother-in-law thinks after his son'marriage now she has lost his son,on the other side,young lass dont like the interferance of her mother-in-law their in personal matters...this thing is one of the major causes of houshold quarrels...
There is nothing in your post,which could annoy a lady as we should accept our faults and try to change our wrong behaviour without adopting stubborn atitude..
You reply shows that you have understood what i was meant to ask.

@Crown prince
I know when our religion had given rights to women as far my knowledge is concerned,one must not prognosticate anything without getting what has been asked to him or her.
It was you,who said that this topic isnot concerned with the women right in your previous post kindly take a look over that post.
Moreover,If a woman is going against another woman,cannot be called as she is abusing the rights which have been given to her about 1430 years ago?
Islam allows four marriages over certain conditions despite of this most of the women arenot going to accept the reality which is a part of the divine law.
Last but not the least,My Brother i donot need to get knowledge from wikipedia because its articles can be edited by anyone.However,i am thankful to Allah who has given us a book (Quran)which is more sufficient,authentic and error free than wikipedia so i do follow this book.

@Sassi
There is no doubt,men are also following such actions which are commonly found in women but tell me one thing?
Have you ever watched any drama on tv?
most of the indian as well as pakistani dramas are made on the roles of women such as class between mother in law and daughter in law why?
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