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Another frustated act by a frustated Government of the time. Will this ban control the youth from refraining the so-called immoral activities, for so long and to what extent?

Government should have realised if it was going to make this decision to some effect. The public life of citizens of this country is miserable since the inception of this Govt, in one way or the other.
This is where we'd call Maya Khan's Syndrome. Banning YouTube due to Blasphemous content, instead of removing the questionable content. Expelling and torturing of 8 years Old school girl accused of non-intention mistake in writing a holy word. Issue of warning letters by Lawyers to canteens selling a drink manufactured in a country's religious minority owned factory. This train of thought came to mind all at once. Every one seems busy in teaching moral lessons and imposing religious chauvinism on others.
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you have misunderstood what I have said. Its not about night package but the right of freedom which has been taken away. Once you don't give freedom , it definitely creates fear and as a result kills creativity and confidence in the society. Sociologists and psychologists would second me.
We are talking here specifically on this ban. If I am a father, I will never like my son or daughter to waste time on phone calls late night. This is actually a matter of shame that what needed to be done by parents and guardians is done by the government. Technology is a good thing but to the extent if it is not misused. No way this ban will create any inferiority complex on youth or any creature. If our society is good enough at morals then why to place traffic wardens along with traffic signals? If this is a matter of personal choice then suicide bombing is also their personal choice and that is their way of expression, why government and all of us bother about them ?
No common man will be effected, only specific community will be affected.
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P.s. I cant understand why is so much hue & cry when same cheap packages are going to be offered again but with different timings.
Seriously,this is the thing which keeps bothering me.Why are we associating immorality with a specific time?A person who will use these packages before midnight will be considered saint but right after midnight the same guy/girl will turn into a horrible immoral devil.What sort of logic is this?

It is just a lame approach of government and an excuse to hide its inefficiency.Instead of fixing this up they have found an easy solution to ban everything for the sake of "cultural preservation" and our "security".

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3.Dont you think sleepless nights are very unhealthy for human body and this may cause serious mental disorder among students if they keep using late night calling packages till dawn?
Going by the logic that it is creating moral and health issues,government's next step should be to ban cell phones,landlines,tv,cable,internet as they are also creating such issues.Then someday they can ban cars and other transport because people are becoming lethargic.Why can't they just walk and remain healthy?And if this continues,very soon you will see a team visiting our houses on regular basis to forbid us from using too much oil,butter and junk food in order to stay healthy.
If banning and eliminating is the only solution left for our nation then why can't we just throw all the poor people into Arabian sea to get rid of poverty once and for all?
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1.If someone is bent upon, none can stop anybody from involving immorality.
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2. These night packages have far greater disadvantages than advantages. For example: I have seen many guys/gals impatiently waiting for mid night so that their elders go to the bed & they exercise their "Fundamental Right".
In the light of above statement,do you still think banning these packages will eradicate this problem?They will find numerous other ways of contacting.It is just another attempt to give mental torture to the nation and to those people who are genuinely needy.

It is not government's duty to keep an eye on one's private conversation.Instead of closing eyes and shunning all technological advancements,there is a need to identify the root causes of all such problems,whether social,religious or moral,and strategies to eliminate them.
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If our society is good enough at morals then why to place traffic wardens along with traffic signals?
Exactly,no society is perfect.A government can place traffic signals and warnings but cannot stop someone from traveling.They can tell you to obey speed limit and has authority to punish you for disobeying it but cannot pull out engine or whatever of your car so that you don't cross the maximum speed limit.There is always a thin line between implementing and forcing things.

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If this is a matter of personal choice then suicide bombing is also their personal choice and that is their way of expression, why government and all of us bother about them ?
No common man will be effected, only specific community will be affected.
Yes,if someone wants to commit suicide in his room by exploding himself then we can say it was his personal choice but suicide attacks are affecting general masses regardless of gender,creed and religion.It does not remain a personal choice in this case.You cannot just compare it with a call package which can also be called a personal method of suicide.
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Exactly,no society is perfect.A government can place traffic signals and warnings but cannot stop someone from traveling.They can tell you to obey speed limit and has authority to punish you for disobeying it but cannot pull out engine or whatever of your car so that you don't cross the maximum speed limit.There is always a thin line between implementing and forcing things.
No one is stopping from calling late nights but one have to pay normal calling charges whats bad in that? No intelligence is involved in personal matters


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Yes,if someone wants to commit suicide in his room by exploding himself then we can say it was his personal choice but suicide attacks are affecting general masses regardless of gender,creed and religion.It does not remain a personal choice in this case.You cannot just compare it with a call package which can also be called a personal method of suicide.
A person who wakes up all night is stressed mentally if he is working somewhere or a student in school college or university, I am not talking about "weli community" who sleep at day time. So any body like this, have to interact with colleagues, fellows in that environment, and he doesn`t behave well, an unhealthy person can never behave well, right? So that`s not a matter of personal choice when you have to interact with fellows because others too are effected like family, friends and the most effected is the family. And suicide bombing was just an example
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What age are we living in? Talk about Skype,Viber,Fring,Yahoo,Hotmail,Facebook, and Whatsapp. Who needs night packages now? Who cares if they are banned or not (Talking of Big chunk-Middle Class)? Androids, Iphone are gaining popularity among all age groups.
Banning Night packages cant stop anyone. Girls/Guys are still going to stay up all night
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We are talking here specifically on this ban. If I am a father, I will never like my son or daughter to waste time on phone calls late night. This is actually a matter of shame that what needed to be done by parents and guardians is done by the government. Technology is a good thing but to the extent if it is not misused. No way this ban will create any inferiority complex on youth or any creature.
No common man will be effected, only specific community will be affected.
If you want your daughter to be on the religious path, then focus on her upbringing rather supporting ban on packages. Don't you think girls can do all that in day time while they are at colleges and universities, where co education is being provided. People admit them in such institutes where co education exists. At that time they forget their " moral values" but when they talk to their fellow guys , they remember the so called standards of morality.
How funny it is.
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No one is stopping from calling late nights but one have to pay normal calling charges whats bad in that? No intelligence is involved in personal matters




A person who wakes up all night is stressed mentally if he is working somewhere or a student in school college or university, I am not talking about "weli community" who sleep at day time. So any body like this, have to interact with colleagues, fellows in that environment, and he doesn`t behave well, an unhealthy person can never behave well, right? So that`s not a matter of personal choice when you have to interact with fellows because others too are effected like family, friends and the most effected is the family. And suicide bombing was just an example
Why to pay extra charges? If there was a facility of package then why it has been taken away? People are already facing financial hardships.

It's not your headache. If someone getting his efficiency lost , because of awaking in night time, he has to suffer, not you. In west, people used to drink also but they are doing their work in efficient manner. Efficiency will be lost if they remain in tension of not being able to talk in night.

I suggest another step to Maulana Rehman Malik, that police should keep check on every house and ensure the lights must be off at 12 am.It will also solve the energy crisis. Moreover arrest those people who are found talking in the houses after 12 am, because their efficiency will be lost , if they not sleep early. Also there must be ban on giving birth to child as it will result in elimination of terrorists in future.
Unfortunately, we are the nation living in the dream world, not the real world and our leaders can just only confuse us on such " moral issues", which must have been nothing to do with the state affairs. Gen Zia made such laws , just to prolong his tenure and still we are suffering the extreme results of that.
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If you want your daughter to be on the religious path, then focus on her upbringing rather supporting ban on packages. Don't you think girls can do all that in day time while they are at colleges and universities, where co education is being provided. People admit them in such institutes where co education exists. At that time they forget their " moral values" but when they talk to their fellow guys , they remember the so called standards of morality.
How funny it is.
Who said religious upbringing? Read my previous post quoting you again and clear your misconception. Don`t twist the sentences in your own meaning. Anyhow I will be very happy if my children are more close to ISLAM.

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Why to pay extra charges? If there was a facility of package then why it has been taken away? People are already facing financial hardships.

It's not your headache. If someone getting his efficiency lost , because of awaking in night time, he has to suffer, not you. In west, people used to drink also but they are doing their work in efficient manner. Efficiency will be lost if they remain in tension of not being able to talk in night.

I suggest another step to Maulana Rehman Malik, that police should keep check on every house and ensure the lights must be off at 12 am.It will also solve the energy crisis. Moreover arrest those people who are found talking in the houses after 12 am, because their efficiency will be lost , if they not sleep early. Also there must be ban on giving birth to child as it will result in elimination of terrorists in future.
Unfortunately, we are the nation living in the dream world, not the real world and our leaders can just only confuse us on such " moral issues", which must have been nothing to do with the state affairs. Gen Zia made such laws , just to prolong his tenure and still we are suffering the extreme results of that.
You are quoting west, then you should realise they are more disciplined in their life. They do everything but the limit, not exceeding. And be specific about the ban, you are confusing yourself. And yes that`s my headache because I live in this society, I am concerned about good decisions and bad decisions.
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Seriously,this is the thing which keeps bothering me.Why are we associating immorality with a specific time?A person who will use these packages before midnight will be considered saint but right after midnight the same guy/girl will turn into a horrible immoral devil.What sort of logic is this?
1.This DEBATE isn't about labeling anybody as Saint or Satan.

2. That incentive/facility should be taken back which has more demerits than merits.

3. LOGIC is to put an effort to protect teenagers and prevent them spending wee hours on the phone in 'Adult Chat'.


4. Time has crucial role to play in these night packages, if all guys(who are in favor) have to share just information or talk to family and friends then Time shouldn't be their CONCERN for they would get same rates again from 9 to 12 pm.

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It is just a lame approach of government and an excuse to hide its inefficiency.Instead of fixing this up they have found an easy solution to ban everything for the sake of "cultural preservation" and our "security".
They haven't shutdown CELLULAR service after midnight, I think.

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Going by the logic that it is creating moral and health issues,government's next step should be to ban cell phones,landlines,tv,cable,internet as they are also creating such issues.Then someday they can ban cars and other transport because people are becoming lethargic.Why can't they just walk and remain healthy?And if this continues,very soon you will see a team visiting our houses on regular basis to forbid us from using too much oil,butter and junk food in order to stay healthy.
If banning and eliminating is the only solution left for our nation then why can't we just throw all the poor people into Arabian sea to get rid of poverty once and for all?
Emotional thought..I always prefer realism over emotionalism. However this step isn't going to hit or affect adversely as you have exaggerated above.






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In the light of above statement,do you still think banning these packages will eradicate this problem?They will find numerous other ways of contacting.It is just another attempt to give mental torture to the nation and to those people who are genuinely needy.
Torture? Those needy can avail cheap rates in the late evening.


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In west, people used to drink also but they are doing their work in efficient manner. Efficiency will be lost if they remain in tension of not being able to talk in night.
Have we taken Oath to adopt 10 percent of Evils of West neglecting 90 p/c of their noble deeds?

There is not even "E" of Efficiency is connected with late night talking. Trust me.
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I will go with the banning of services...All freedom of rights are for those who know how to enjoy the rights in limits and also care for their responsibilities...unlike pakistanis and its 90% youth who we all know what they do with these packages...Do any sane person go talking after 12 for hours??? whats so important group discussions which cant happen after 6 pm to 12 am??

b/w can any body tell me that what was the real reason presented by PPP in restraining service as Morality has never been a concern of Pakistani govt...
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I will go with the banning of services...All freedom of rights are for those who know how to enjoy the rights in limits and also care for their responsibilities...unlike pakistanis and its 90% youth who we all know what they do with these packages...Do any sane person go talking after 12 for hours??? whats so important group discussions which cant happen after 6 pm to 12 am??

b/w can any body tell me that what was the real reason presented by PPP in restraining service as Morality has never been a concern of Pakistani govt...
Actually this was approved by Punjab Assembly. Punjab Govt requested federal government to ban these packages in Pakistan.
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