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Is there any other place they can take it on....if tis love and a person is a true lover and not a flirt ?
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So should he start believing that there is nothing known as love, its only the needs (biological + economic and social) which are needed to be satisfied, and are the things which are important to keep up with the relation and wait for the lucky draw to meet his spouse ?
Lovbe exists and will be there forever. Why we should think that it does not?

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A good discussion so far, yet I have to beg your pardon for being damn straight about the matter.
“God sent meat and the devil sent the cooks”. Since neither side has been able to prove the superiority of one type over the other, yet both have conceded to the fact that it depends upon person to person and each side knows very well that Islam has given a free will to every person to choose amongst any of the options, just in order to uphold love between the persons. The idea that “love before marriage or marriage before love” is relative to every persons personality and circumstances, but what Islam reprimands is “love without marriage or marriage without love”. So one cannot declare didactically the superiority of one over the other; either of the options that embellishes love with trust is allowed and cherished.
To the respectable contestants of both sides, my suggestion is: “which lies not in your gates, does not break your shins”, so please be realistic while making a decision for yourself, and do not try to impose your priorities, because none of them alone can be generalized for all. I think that every one of us is grown up enough to understand that “a hole is nothing, but you can still break your neck in it”. Please pardon my misdemeanor, if some one is offended in any sense – it will perfectly be an un-intentional breed.

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So should he start believing that there is nothing known as love, its only the needs (biological + economic and social) which are needed to be satisfied, and are the things which are important to keep up with the relation and wait for the lucky draw to meet his spouse ?
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Dear the entire discussion is about emotional needs i.e Love. I think everyone mentioned about various apect of choosing spouse linked to LOVE. (see other post for detail)

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I will also like to attract the attention of amjad777 to elaborate these intricacies found in arranged marriges, and less pronounced in love ones.
I strongly believe that no one or his/her idea/suggestion/recommendation is perfect except what Almight Allah said in Holy Quran.

"There are good women for good men and bad women for bad men"

So brother point of flirt, I will rather emphaside on Moral and Social Corruption is increasing in our society that will breakeup the social bonding and our family structure. For me our family structure and social ties are what is our saviour and is as per our religion and culture.

These are induced changes rather imposed through cultural imperialism and globalization.

Love is pure and true emotion and I believe that its natural as well. Frankly speaking I am also ................ ........................ but...................................

GENDER issues have been raised (those are mostly towards feminism/women) by various organizations, there are some hidden agendas behing all this is to breake-up our socio-cultural norms.


About complexities of arrange Marriage, I think

If one loves someone and then he/she ask his/her parents as per our traditions, what does this means at the end??? (Arrange marriage or Love marriage)

I listen answers during interviews of celebraties on marriage

Interviewer: your marriage was arranged or love

Celebraty: Its arranged with Love

Interviewer: How?

Celebraty: I see her, I like her and I asked my parents, they visited and arranged.

Nice na!!! but now you people will ask that this might not be the case always. There will be this issue, that issues, so keep away from this and that. It will always be there in every sphere of life and every where in this universe.

So don't be confused with bit of this and that.

I think I tried to clarify some aspect, still I knew its not enough, because of this and that. Still discuss for our clarity


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This is a real statement. I really believe in it.
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well if this is true then no good women for me............but koi baat nahein.............umeed ki duniya ab bhi qayim hai..........ALLAH khair kare ga mujh jaisoon par
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This is a real statement. I really believe in it.
no one is the bad. it is we give labels of good whome we are inspired, and bad who is not fit in our expectaions.
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no one is the bad. it is we give labels of good whome we are inspired, and bad who is not fit in our expectaions.


very well said gumnam,excellent
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Hey man, it is there in the Qur'an. How can it be wrong. Look, ALlah has told us that there are two types of people on this wearth, good ones who obey the orders of God and bad ones who does not follow His orders. So those who are bad ones will have bad spouse and vice versa.

It is God who has decided the fate of good ones as well as bad ones.

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very well said gumnam,excellent
I think u people have took the statement wrongly.
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Dear impossible:
U r qouting this verse of Quran out of context.
"There are good women for good men and bad women for bad men"
This verse was refered to a particular nation for a particular time. not for all.
If a prostitue wants to live a decent life, it is recomended in Islam to get married with her,even if some one is laready married and afford to marry again.
I wonder how can we meausre tht this person is good or bad, wht is criteria for that, Allah only knows the secrets of hearts. Who r we to judge and give verdicts for others?.
So i request all of u plz read above mentioned verse with context and explaination
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