Hello,

Before I say what I want to, I know access to this forum is a privilege and NOT a right and I know mods can close any thread with or without a good reason and they enjoy the liberty to do so. Even though, knowing all this, I'd like to say or rather ask a few things mentioned below ;

I'd like to ask, why on earth am I not given a chance to reply when It is required and the thread is closed? This has happened not once, but a number of times. This is really surprising and weird.

Please make it clear, should I say things just to make everyone happy or should I say things that are based on facts and that are logical? Why should I say things just to please a few individuals or a group of people, Why isn't the concept of tolerance adopted and everyone given a chance to reply.

When will we start out of the box thinking and listen to and/or criticize ideas openly and discuss things openly; OFF-TOPIC by it's name is self explanatory and I see no reason why threads in such a section are locked when the conversation gets heated. We will not break each other noses or do anything physical, it's just the Internet and the more we discuss the more will we learn and the more the reader will read and decide what point of view is better and why

I would therefore suggest, kindly do allow members to say whatever they want and let the observers/readers decide what point of view they go with and why.

- mukt

http://www.cssforum.com.pk/off-topic...ms-andrew.html

This is how people look at you and this is exactly what you do. Still you need my answer?

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I can see people are blaming me for being personal and attacking etc. Kindly, quote me getting personal? If I say something which is true and people consider it as being personal, then I seriously don't know what to do/say. If you read threads, just like the brutality one, I was never personal with farah and I didn't used terms like "Shame on you" etc, which are direct attacks; Was that not a personal attack? But I don't like to take things this way, I feel everyone reserves the right to say whatever they want to (as far as I am concerned) and I won't mind even if someone use vulgar language for me.

I can also see that a group of friends have gathered and planned to get me banned; Well, now, you and other mods reserve full right to ban me at any given point of time however If you feel I should not visit the forum and I am not welcome here, you can tell me clearly and It will save you from the trouble of banning me as I myself will de-activate my account and quit. I, however will not do so just because some people dislike me or my views or whatever but If the mods/forum owners feel I should not be allowed then they have the right as it's their thing and I don't maintain or manage it and that make sense as well

Mohammad TS Awan said that my comments are childish and pre-mature and emotional; Well, I for a second can agree my comments are childish and pre mature but emotional? eh? Me and Emotional? Anyway; That's what he feels like, he reserves full right to say whatever he wants

As for SADIA Shafiq, I don't even remember an encounter with her as of yet; Maybe I talked to her, but I can't really recall. So, This is pretty Interesting someone whom I never had a discussion with comes up with the thread demanding my removal; This should also give you a clue of what might be going on

I, In the end, Again request you to point out where was I being personal etc. I realize the mistake I made in that Interview thread for which I already apologized and asked the mods to remove un-related posts to the subject. Besides that, I might say things that are straight forward because I cannot be DIPLOMATIC and I oppose hypocrisy

SideNote : You will come up with some posts with me being personal, I am very sure. All I want to say is, after quoting them, give me time to reply and explain; don't worry, I won't post in other sections until and unless I clear everything here

- mukt

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If you read threads, just like the brutality one, I was never personal with farah

Read again;

CSS Forums - View Single Post - Brutality;who is responsible?

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Have you ever dated someone?

A very personal,irrelevant and uncivilized question on a public forum that also my brother often visits.What kind of sophisticated question it was!

Another;

CSS Forums - View Single Post - Brutality;who is responsible?

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Good you answered, explained your position to comment on dating etc. It might be against islam, moral & social values etc but it does not bring depression, you are totally confusing the 2. Boys and girls dating each other enjoys it and have fun, when you have experience you will then know

Appreciated!And again it wasn't personal?

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To be honest, Why are you given the freedom to use Internet? More stupid things happen on Internet rather than in real life, you know what i'm talking about but if you don't do ask me and I will explicitly mention it. More dating goes on computer rather than real life (In this modern age) so, why aren't you restricted? Are there any checks and balances on you? See? You get my point now?

What were you discussing ;"what is right" or "who is right"?
You just revolve around word "YOU" not relevant topic.
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I can also see that a group of friends have gathered and planned to get me banned;

Neither I know T.S Awan personally nor Sadia Shafique so don't assume.Besides I didn't request mods to ban you because it is useless;I just want you may please take a review of your attitude which is not only personal but also sarcastic.

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Dear mukt,
In some posts you have personaly attcked.
Debate must be positive and arguments must be in a constructive manner.
Brother this is a public and informative forum. After reading such a discusion what would people think.
Brother please recheck your posts and if you think that somewhere you crosed the limits then you must appologise. By admiting our faults we can avoid many bad things to be hapend. I hope you will never mind it and appologise for your faults.

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What I noticed is, Mukt is simply a straight forward guy. I didn't find any abusive words in his posts. After all this is a discussion Forum.

If no one would write the negative comments, how would you feel the worth of positive comments? I think no one would disagree his examples of Western Culture and Ramazan trend in our country.

According to me, banning him might be an injustice.

Over to Last Island, Andrew Defuse and Awan =)

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AOA,

Neither I know mukt or farah, i just gave a general overview. Neither I am somebody to propose/making him banned! I dont say anything in front of Last Island's sagacity!

Excuse me, I do not think that he is straight forward. He more often say or express without thinking the impact of the word. He needs to think before speech, instead of being so blunt. I remember a wise saying, 'think before you speak.'

@ Mukt, you didnt read my complete sentence it didnt end there "too childish/pre mature and emotional, to be considered or taken into account."

Advice: always think before you speak.

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if mukt want to aplogise than it would be great with confirmty not to consider islam a derogatory .and its humiliated application on us.if one is saying one should comment against islam being negitve comments than it be not justified.
Any how he is a member..
But i want change in mukt attitude.i joined this forum since oct.i am observing since..and i used this forum after paper.so after my observation suggest.
Islam has standards for forgivenes .so he be...
Forum ka use ka mean information lena hota no to chill.
And mery bat ya pe end..
I initiate my thread coz i was so much hurt at that time.i totally lamented it is a member from us.might be yae pakistan he.and yae world he.
Hope apme kisx ko kuch bura nae laga hoga.
Wish u best of luck.
Me farah kae name ke elava kuch nae janty.jtna me mukt ko janty etna farh ko.

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brother to be straight forward is good. And i dont want mukt to be banned. But personal attack is not acceptable.
If anybody want to argue then he or she must be carèful about using words.
If mukt used to say that many people or some people in his arguments then it could be acceptable. But he use the word "you" wich is a direct atack.
He should not be bannd but he must appologise for his fault.

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Negative comments also must be limited. Such kind of discussion isn't beneath this forum's dignity. We all are here like family members and should behave one another respectfully!

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