Practical Rules for changing Narration - Page 6

ultimate · #51 Friday, January 04, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Dear as it is explained in the rule that the structure followed by the subjunctive remains unchanged, now as far as IF and Whether are concerned, let me clear the concept with the help of example...

"if i were you, i would go to USA", he said.
he said that if he were him, he would go to USA.

Yes, conditional of this type with IF + were structure remain unchanged.
But in case of whether, it changes.

thanks. you explain it very well. i am waiting for answers than i will put my question again.

Manzar baloch · #52 Saturday, January 05, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Subjunctive is the form or mood of verb that expresses a wish or plan which did not come to realization. i-e

i wish i could go to Gilgit with the trip.

Ahmad wants to go for M.phil, said father ,I would rather he appeared for CSS.

Following are the structures used to form subjunctives,
Wish
Would rather
would sooner
it is high time
would have + Participle
Conditional i-e, Had + subject followed by would have, if i were you followed by would have
had better
General expression of wishing i-e i wanted to become a doctor but i couldn't.

Rule for changing narration of subjunctives:

Subjunctives in Direct speech remain unchanged in Reported speech when followed by either of aforementioned structures.

Ali said, "i wish i could enjoy the weather outside". Direct speech
Ali said/wished that he could enjoy the weather outside. Indirect speech

"I would rather have appeared for CSS", he said. Direct speech
He said that he would rather have appeared for CSS. Indirect speech

They said. "it is high time they took the decision". Direct speech
They said that it was high time they took the decision. Indirect speech

He said, "You had better leave the place". Direct speech
He advised to me that i had better leave the place. Indirect speech

Note that verb does change but the aforementioned structures after subjunctive do not.

Good luck guys, now it is getting tougher but you get going...

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Exercise:
He said, "I wish i could talk to my father".
Ahmad said, "If i were you, i would have accepted the offer".
He said, "You had better take care of your luggage".
"Had you informed me earlier", said Bilal, "i would have received you at the station"

1- he wished that he could talk to his father.
2- ahmad said that if he were me, he would have accepted the offer.
3- he said that i had better take care of my luggage.
4- bilal asked me whether i had informed him earlier so that he would have received me at the station.

Bilal Hassan · #53 Saturday, January 05, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tehreem Biya

He said, "I wish i could talk to my father".
Ans.
He wished that he could talk to his father.

Ahmad said, "If i were you, i would have accepted the offer".
Ans.
Ahmad said that if he were me he would have accepted the offer.

He said, "You had better take care of your luggage".
Ans.
He advised to me that i had better take care of my luggage. (He advised me to take care of my luggage/ He said that i had better take care of my luggage.....Dear with advice we omit the conditional structure so don't follow the rule of subjunctive)

"Had you informed me earlier", said Bilal, "i would have received you at the station"
ans.
Bilal said that if i had informed him earlier,he would have received me at the station.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleem muhammad

Exercise:
He said, "I wish i could talk to my father".
Ahmad said, "If i were you, i would have accepted the offer".
He said, "You had better take care of your luggage".
"Had you informed me earlier", said Bilal, "i would have received you at the station"

ANSWERS....

he wished to talk to his father. (Dear we do not omit the auxiliary verb)
ahmed desired that if he was me than he would have accepted the offer. (we use were irrespective of the subject when we use it as a subjunctive)
he praised me to had better took care of mine luggage. (Dear it i an advice not an appreciation)
bilal justified that if i had informed him earlier than he would have recieved me at the station.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waqas77

Ahmad said that if he were me then (unnecessary) he would have accepted the offer.
He wished that he could talk to his father.
He said that I had better take care of my luggage.
Bilal said that if I had informed him earlier then he would have received me at the station.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amna rafiq

1. He wished that he could talk to his father.
2. Ahmed said that if he were you (you gotta change the subject to pronoun in reported speech, either me or him) he would have accepted the offer.
3. He advised to me that i had better take care of my luggage.
4. Bilal said that if he had informed him earlier he would have received him at the station.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manzar baloch

1- he wished that he could talk to his father.
2- ahmad said that if he were me, he would have accepted the offer.
3- he said that i had better take care of my luggage.
4- bilal asked me whether i had informed him earlier so that he would have received me at the station.

Solutions:
He wished he could talk to his father.
Ahmad said that if he were him/me, he would have accepted the offer.
He advised me to take care of my luggage./ He said that i had better take care of my luggage.
Bilal said that if i had informed him earlier, he would have received me at the station.

Marks:

Tehreem Biya: 3/4
Aleem Muhammad : 0/4
waqas 77 : 3/4
Amna Rafiq : 2/4
Manzar Baloch : 3/4

Amigo · #54 Saturday, January 05, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Solutions:
He wished he could talk to his father.
Ahmad said that if he were him/me, he would have accepted the offer.
He advised me to take care of my luggage./ He said that i had better take care of my luggage.
Bilal said that if i had informed him earlier, he would have received me at the station.

Bilal Boy! I am confused here. ´Can´ is changed to ´could´, shouldn´t ´could´ change to ´could have´? Secondly ´if I were you´ should be ´if he had been me´

Don´t take me wrong. I am here to learn.

Bilal Hassan · #55 Saturday, January 05, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigo

Bilal Boy! I am confused here. ´Can´ is changed to ´could´, shouldn´t ´could´ change to ´could have´? Secondly ´if I were you´ should be ´if he had been me´

Don´t take me wrong. I am here to learn.

i don't misunderstand someone unless i am deliberately provoked...
Dear you are talking about those rules that are used for simple can, could etc narration, but here we are concerned with subjunctive which follow its own rules, subjunctives do not change in reported speech, please go back to Rule no 5 to have the whole idea.....
if i were you remains same as it is a subjunctive, even if we take it as a conditional, it still remains unchanged.....
hope you are clear now.....

ultimate · #56 Saturday, January 05, 2013

Solutions:
He said, "I wish i could talk to my father".

He wished he could talk to his father.

Ahmad said that if he werewas him/me, he would have accepted the offer.
He advised me to take care of my luggage./ He said that i had better take care of my luggage.

"Had you informed me earlier", said Bilal, "i would have received you at the station"

sir your this sentence dont look correct.
i think it should be like this
"if you had informed me earlier", said Bilal " i would have received you at the station"

2nd thing if any sentence start with question is, am, are, have has had etc, than we use" if" and "whether" and " that " is not used in that sentences.

i hope now you understand my query.

u havent given me marks

Bilal Hassan · #57 Saturday, January 05, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimate

sir your this sentence dont look correct.
i think it should be like this
"if you had informed me earlier", said Bilal " i would have received you at the station"

Dear it is a proper structure, Had + subject followed by would have, you must look for it in any good grammar, it is a conditional basically, so my sentence is perfectly correct, albeit your proposition also stands valid

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimate

2nd thing if any sentence start with question is, am, are, have has had etc, than we use" if" and "whether" and " that " is not used in that sentences.

well i haven't asked a question here, if we place the auxiliary verb at the start of sentence followed by a subject then verb, it doesn't mean that it is an interrogative...i have used a conditional and it is structured this way, i have explained it above. i hope you got the point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimate

u havent given me marks

i haven't seen your attempt dear so how can award you the marks?

Mr noAttitude · #58 Sunday, January 06, 2013

This is the most difficult thing I can ever have in my life, changing narrations and by following the practical rules ??? Please anybody save me from this hell, Please suggest me some easy way to understand these rules, I am damn weak in grammar, I believe I don't know even a bit of grammar, time is running short, i don't know how I'm going to deal with this particular paper known as ''précis and composition" ..... !!!

Bilal Hassan · #59 Sunday, January 06, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr noAttitude

This is the most difficult thing I can ever have in my life, changing narrations and by following the practical rules ??? Please anybody save me from this hell, Please suggest me some easy way to understand these rules, I am damn week in grammar, I believe I don't know even a bit of grammar, time is running short, i don't know how I'm going to deal with this particular paper known as ''précis and composition" ..... !!!

Dear this isn't difficult at all, you just subscribe to u and things will become easier for you, you may ask any member who has participated in that activity that it is damn easier, if you think you can't do, you will definitely won't, its all in the state of mind, one must be positive in his approach as competitive exams are all about steel nerves...don't give up..

Mr noAttitude · #60 Sunday, January 06, 2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

Dear this isn't difficult at all, you just subscribe to u and things will become easier for you, you may ask any member who has participated in that activity that it is damn easier, if you think you can't do, you will definitely won't, its all in the state of mind, one must be positive in his approach as competitive exams are all about steel nerves...don't give up..

Sure dear, I'll try my best insha ALLAH

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