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There is no guarantee that the examiner will be highly objective or unbiased, there is no accountability mechanism in place and they can get away with anything. If we were such an objective and unbiased country, wouldn't we be at the top of every international ranking instead of the bottom? Wouldn't the world love us instead of hating us? The whole system is messed up, almost every other person is biased in one way or another, one can hardly find anyone who is highly objective/unbiased. Examiners are from this very society, we don't even know if they really check the papers and how much they are paid for it or how qualified they are. It is not an exam like GRE or IELTS or O/A Levels where marking is highly objective and there is a proper system of checks and balances for examiners as well as students.
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The point you have raised about accountability is valid,my friend.However,we can only control the things that are in our hand i.e preparing well and then praying that the examiner who checks our answers is not in a foul mood after quarrelling with his Mrs.If we start worrying about things that are beyond our control then we will turn half-mad.
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I think that we are allowed to criticize anything we want as long as we can elaborate that with reason that why we think that. Unfortunately FPSC wants to listen to their own POV. It hasn't gone well for non conformists
i considered your points,thanks for your contribution,sorry friend,your analysis is not very good
and i know you can do better than this.

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Just mention the steps he took in his tenure and also mention all other Islamic concerns of all the three constitutions including 1949 Objective Resolution. .
You seemed quite right that we must not be biased,this is the reason why i'm secular(indifferent
towards any prejudice)
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Flattery and buttering is an essential part of Pakistani culture, you cannot go ahead very far if you don't do this unfortunately. There is no full freedom of expression in Pakistan, there will be allegations and fatwas on you.

About Zia, I hate that man very much and yes, I am proud to be a liberal.
Its a country where flattery rife supreme.If this premise is false than do tell me what is
the logic of Qanoon i shahadat act in criminal investigation.Every evil founded by Zia is not
only practiced but also boasted.Take the case of Ijaz ul Haq who once appointed as the
minister of religion,than this klashankoff culture,and most importantly drugs syndicates are
not only cloned but also imported to the neighbouring countries such as Iran.Regarding FPSC,
how many LUMS and IBA graduates it has attracted is a good paradigm of its efficiency,if
somebody has discrepency than read dawn.I my ownself has read many
fantastic stories of its paper checking credibilities.Lets see how this audacious institution is
going to play this time a cricket match with all of us.
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From personal experience I can tell you that FPSC does not penalise criticism. You just need to make sure that you are able to qualify your critique with solid points. The problem arises when we take an outlandish stance and fail to back it up with academic substance. Also, it is very important to maintain balance, one should not present polarised views. It doesn't matter if your views are ultra conservative or left liberal, you're fine just as long as you don't come off as biased.

For instance, if you are criticising Zia for his Afghan policy and the blowback that it received, you should also know that Zia did not initiate interference in Afghanistan. It was actually Bhutto who formed an Afghanistan Cell within ISI. If you are criticising Bhutto for political marginalisation of Bengalis you should also state that it was actually Quaid e Azam who insisted that Urdu be the only national language.

Challenging well established national narrative is not an issue as long as you're not backing it up with content from sensationalist TV anchors or YouTube videos. Know your sources, and their biases.
Sir,Keep Bhtto's afghan cell out of zias islamic business,because state's interest is protected
by intelligence agencies.We know Bhutto ordered for such an extraordinary measures when
anti pakistani government was imposed in kapul;because of the so called CEATO and SENTO
agreement.It is not reletaed to pakistan's radical extremist ideology.Similarly Bangladesh
debacle as well is misquoted.If i'm wrong you can correct me,since we demanded unbiased
and objective review of Zias islamism,not who is who and what is what? May be i'm wrong but
possess my all right to express my opinion.

For the sake of my satisfaction would you explain me upto what extant my leftist notion is
acceptable:
Zias islamism started with the imposition of radical ideologists such as Gulbdin Himatyar and
his network in peshawar and fata,which was notoriously famous for acid throwing incidences
on those women faces who didn't cover their faces.even it is alleged that he was the main
culprit of introducing the culture of conflagrating girls school in Kabul, peshawar and other
adjoining areas, besides Quetta shurah where woman were slashed at public places and
culprits who committed fornication and adultery were stoned to death.Those people who didnt comply were thrown
in the torture cells,irk of the crisis was the presence of state within the state.These shurahs
were unquestionable in supreme courts,this is the reason why our administrative failure is self
evident in FATA,and in Baloch tribal areas.

Secondly,he introduced extremist ideology not only in madrassahs but also in schools,such
as misinterpretation of ayats of surah infal and surah tooba in matric class syllabus.Not only
this he encouraged cultivation of heroin and opium at trans afghan border;meanwhile,United nations drug and
crime report warned at that time that Afghanistan and Pakistan are Worlds largest heroin
syndicates in the world known today by many of us as 'Golden Crescent triangle', which
supplied heroin in european markets through "turkish wolves".(You can confirm each and
every fact from multiple sources).Loan facilities provided by imf was massively spent in the
implantation of klashankoff culture in Pakistan:furthermore,its epistomolgical introduction of
Huddood ordinance and Qanoon i shahadat ordinances had absolutely subjogated the vulnerable
part of society i.e. woman.Even today we
can witness zias oligarch in council of islamic ideology which consider DNA testing for rapist
detection as unislamic and unethical.
I've many other justifications and my question
Is it okay or should i tilt it towards bit flatterism,which in true sense is prejudice.
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i considered your points,thanks for your contribution,sorry friend,your analysis is not very good
and i know you can do better than this.


You seemed quite right that we must not be biased,this is the reason why i'm secular(indifferent
towards any prejudice)

Its a country where flattery rife supreme.If this premise is false than do tell me what is
the logic of Qanoon i shahadat act in criminal investigation.Every evil founded by Zia is not
only practiced but also boasted.Take the case of Ijaz ul Haq who once appointed as the
minister of religion,than this klashankoff culture,and most importantly drugs syndicates are
not only cloned but also imported to the neighbouring countries such as Iran.Regarding FPSC,
how many LUMS and IBA graduates it has attracted is a good paradigm of its efficiency,if
somebody has discrepency than read dawn.I my ownself has read many
fantastic stories of its paper checking credibilities.Lets see how this audacious institution is
going to play this time a cricket match with all of us.

Sir,Keep Bhtto's afghan cell out of zias islamic business,because state's interest is protected
by intelligence agencies.We know Bhutto ordered for such an extraordinary measures when
anti pakistani government was imposed in kapul;because of the so called CEATO and SENTO
agreement.It is not reletaed to pakistan's radical extremist ideology.Similarly Bangladesh
debacle as well is misquoted.If i'm wrong you can correct me,since we demanded unbiased
and objective review of Zias islamism,not who is who and what is what? May be i'm wrong but
possess my all right to express my opinion.

For the sake of my satisfaction would you explain me upto what extant my leftist notion is
acceptable:
Zias islamism started with the imposition of radical ideologists such as Gulbdin Himatyar and
his network in peshawar and fata,which was notoriously famous for acid throwing incidences
on those women faces who didn't cover their faces.even it is alleged that he was the main
culprit of introducing the culture of conflagrating girls school in Kabul, peshawar and other
adjoining areas, besides Quetta shurah where woman were slashed at public places and
culprits who committed fornication and adultery were stoned to death.Those people who didnt comply were thrown
in the torture cells,irk of the crisis was the presence of state within the state.These shurahs
were unquestionable in supreme courts,this is the reason why our administrative failure is self
evident in FATA,and in Baloch tribal areas.

Secondly,he introduced extremist ideology not only in madrassahs but also in schools,such
as misinterpretation of ayats of surah infal and surah tooba in matric class syllabus.Not only
this he encouraged cultivation of heroin and opium at trans afghan border;meanwhile,United nations drug and
crime report warned at that time that Afghanistan and Pakistan are Worlds largest heroin
syndicates in the world known today by many of us as 'Golden Crescent triangle', which
supplied heroin in european markets through "turkish wolves".(You can confirm each and
every fact from multiple sources).Loan facilities provided by imf was massively spent in the
implantation of klashankoff culture in Pakistan:furthermore,its epistomolgical introduction of
Huddood ordinance and Qanoon i shahadat ordinances had absolutely subjogated the vulnerable
part of society i.e. woman.Even today we
can witness zias oligarch in council of islamic ideology which consider DNA testing for rapist
detection as unislamic and unethical.
I've many other justifications and my question
Is it okay or should i tilt it towards bit flatterism,which in true sense is prejudice.
ursula for prime minister..!

Not only that, he changed our armed forces motto, he laid the foundations of a theocratic state which even the Objectives Resolution or 1973 constitution could not do. Mind you, Jinnah was the Governor General (A representative of the British Monarch), your airforce was called Royal Pakistan Airforce and navy was called Royal Pakistan Navy, your head of state was king george and then queen elizabeth until 1956 (9 years after independence), your first law minister was a hindu, your first commander-in-chief of armed forces was Gen Gracey (a British Officer). Also, last but not the least, do check out what uncle Zia did to Palestinians. Just look at pictures of 1960s, Pakistan was flying high and countries like Malaysia, South Korea were behind us. PIA was a leading airline and helped make Emirates, what do you want to do, PIA already has angry old ladies as flight attendants, do you want to put black niqab burkas on them too?
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Don't try to show yourself as a secular and liberal person, the fpsc has also jummati islami member in their panel, and they are against liberalism and secularism in Pakistan
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Don't try to show yourself as a secular and liberal person, the fpsc has also jummati islami member in their panel, and they are against liberalism and secularism in Pakistan
I don't know why this word "secularism" is considered taboo over here,while we are not telling the cook and bull story.if my analysis is a pimp on Islamic ideology,than I thought Fpsc should have to mention in the syllabus accordingly!Last days of preparation and so much confusion.
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ursula for prime minister..!

Not only that, he changed our armed forces motto, he laid the foundations of a theocratic state which even the Objectives Resolution or 1973 constitution could not do. Mind you, Jinnah was the Governor General (A representative of the British Monarch), your airforce was called Royal Pakistan Airforce and navy was called Royal Pakistan Navy, your head of state was king george and then queen elizabeth until 1956 (9 years after independence), your first law minister was a hindu, your first commander-in-chief of armed forces was Gen Gracey (a British Officer). Also, last but not the least, do check out what uncle Zia did to Palestinians. Just look at pictures of 1960s, Pakistan was flying high and countries like Malaysia, South Korea were behind us. PIA was a leading airline and helped make Emirates, what do you want to do, PIA already has angry old ladies as flight attendants, do you want to put black niqab burkas on them too?
I agree with you at many points,but believe me I know that Quaid I azam had had strong aversion towards Mount Batton and British imperialsim.Due to time shortage I am unable to share all,but I'm betting you that M.Ali Jinnah was anti imperialist and anti racist.He was neither radicalist nor fanatic:while,britishers were not only racist but also discriminant.He had strong likings for American founding fathers such as Jafforson ideology.This is the reason why he advocated weak confederacy in the subcontinent as well as protection of minority rights.Please,please,please,don't mix up Britishers loyalist democracy with that of Quaids philosophy.You can find innumerable quotes of Quaid who unequivocally criticized British rule and its economical principles.I'd suggest you to read about Nathen Rotschield(a pinpoint example of modern capitalsim tantamountto accumulation of wealth within very few hands).Do you know Sir john Adam founding father of usa was killed by Lord Shelbourn,who was the director of East India company.
In short,my secularism is even different from yours.
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i am talking about jummati islami members, while not talking about FPSC, the jummati islami members have such a negative opinions, they were closed ally of USA during afghan war, and they were supporting Secularism in Pakistan that time , but now they are against secularism and USA,
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i am talking about jummati islami members, while not talking about FPSC, the jummati islami members have such a negative opinions, they were closed ally of USA during afghan war, and they were supporting Secularism in Pakistan that time , but now they are against secularism and USA,
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A new brand,I heard this for the very first time. Would you like to explain me in detail.
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A new brand,i heard this for the very first time. Would you like to explain me in detail.
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