Assalam-u-Alaikum All,

Main yahan kuch cheezain discuss karna chahta hoon jo k mery khayal mein yahan batana zaroori hain or new candidates k liyay mufeed.

1. Self Defence

(i). Article 96 of Tazirat-e-Pakistan: (Things done in private defence)
"Koi esa kaam jurm nahi hay jo apni jaan-o-maal or izzat-o-aabru bachaney k liyay kia jaey:

(ii). Article 97 of Tazirat-e-Pakistan: (Right of private defence)
"Apny ilawa kisi ofr shakhs ki jaan-o-Maal ki hifazat k liyay bhi jo kaam(amr ya feal) kia jaey wo bhi jurm nahi ahy".

(iii). Article 100of Tazirat-e-Pakistan (P.P.C):
When the right of private defence of the body extends to causing death.
Tazirat-e-Pakistan ki dafa 100 k tehat Pakistan ki hudood mein mojood har shakhs ko ye haq hasil hay k:
1: Ager hamla is qadar shadeed ho k jaan janay ka qawwi khatra peda ho jaey ya;
2: jab hamla awar ki taraf se zarb-e-shadeed pohanchnay ka shadeed andeisha ho ya;
3: Jab hamla kisi orat ya kam sin bachay ko zabardasti be aabroo karnay ki niyat se kia jaey
4: ya jab hamla kisi kam sin bachay ko zabardasti aghwa karney ya haam kari ki niyat se aghwa karnay k liyay kia jaey
5: Ya jab hamla kisi shakhs ko zabardasti habs-e-bejaa me rakhnay k liye kiya jaey or koi madad bhi muyassar na ho to

is dafa k tehat har us shakhs ko jo pkistan ki hudood mein ho, apni jaan, maal, izzat-o-aabru bachanay k liye "hamla aawar ko halak kar deny ya'ani jaan se maar deny ka haq hasil hay" khawah wo shakhs Pkistani shehri ho ya na ho...... asar koi Pakistan mein rehtay huay yahan k qanoon a tabesy hay to phir issi qanoon ki dafa 100 k tehat ussay apni hifazat yaani "self defence" ka poora poora ikhtiyaar hasil hay.




@Riazuddin5 nd all....!

Punjabi ki aik kahawat hay k "jinda khaiyay, osday gun gaiyay" or is kahawat per mera pura eemaan hay or her Pakistani ka hona chahiyay, agar aap ka khayal hay k Pakistan mein craime rate America ya other foreign countries ki nisbat zayada hay or yahan aik din bhi zindagi guzarna na mumkin hay or bla bla to mery bhai main aap ko aik choti si haqeeqat ki tasweer dikhana chahta hoon , andaza aap khud laga lena k behtar kon hay ;

In UK, cases of chiled delinquents in Magistrate's courts were as under;

1980 ..... 21,21,336
1983 ..... 23,02,811
In the US during 1930-1980, 3866 persons were executed. According to the World Book Almanac Book of facts, the following was the rate of crimes in USA:
Murder ..... 80,60,000
Rape ..... 37,50,000

As compared to the above-mentioned countries, the the crime situation in Pakistan is far better e.g.,

Serious offences ..... 57,000
Murder ..... 6404
Dacoity ..... 307
Theft ..... 1186
Highway Robbery ..... 8190
Riots ..... 2470
Abduction ..... 5124


Is k saath saath ye bhi hamaisha yaad rakhain k Pakistan ki jamhooriyat abhi or systems abhi tak mukammal parwan nahi charhay or Pakistan abhi aik teesri dunya ka taraqqi pazeer mulk hay or ham taraqqi yafta mumalik ki saff mein shamil hony ki koshish mein hain or sab se lazmi baat ye k pakistan mein crimes ki sharah mein honey waly haliya izafay ke peechay bhi aap k America or deegar naam nihad taraqqi yafta mumalik ka hi numayaan kirdar hay or Pakistan ne apnay peron per khara rehnay ki koshish mein na-ahl hukmrano or immature awam k hathon bohat nuqsan uthaya hay or phir bhi ham apny mulk ko banany anwarnay or acha kehny ki bajaey is ki matti pleed karny pe tulay huay hain ,
khudara ab bhi waqt hay k ham sudhar jaein, hamara mulk bohat qeemti, bohat peyara or bohat acha hay bus zara samajhnay ki baat hay leikin ham jis ka khaty hain usi ko ko kostay hain ye to wohi baat hui na keh
"aanda kitay te kurr kurr kitay"

Agar ham mein shaoor aa jaey to is mulk-o-qoum jesa duniya mein na koi hay or na ho sakta hay.....

Hamara haal ye hay k aadhay parlimentarians ki digriyaan he do number hain or ham ne yani awam ne unhain vote de k hukmran bana diya.

Hamara ye haal hay k agar Police kisi mujrim ko red-handed pakar ker sirf us se jurm ki sachai ugalwany k liyay halka phulka tashaddud ker ley to saray mulk ki ngo's or Awam-un-naass ehtjaj k liyay sarkon per nikal aatay hain or apni or mulk dono ki khoob matti paleed kartay hain "or" doosri tarf Awam agar Awam kisi chor dakoo ko pakar kar usay sar-e-aam betahasha tashadud ker k jaan se maar de to usay ham jurm nahi samajhtay. wahan sab ki zubano per yahi hota hay "Buray da bura Anjaam" haif sad haif, "Ey mul-o-qoum" tera Allha he muhafiz-o-nigehbaan hay.

Kab sudhrain gay ham or kab banain gay ham aik qoum???????



Us American ne agarapni jaan bachanay k liyay baqoul aini shahedeen un dakuon ko maar diya to hamary mulk ka qanoon ussay is baat ka poora poora ikhtiyar deta hay. Tafteesh mein ye baat saaf ho he jaey gi leikin ham ne yahan bhi apnay he mulk ko bura bhal kehna shurue ker diya.......

kis kism ki soach hay ye, asal mein is tarah ki batatin wo log karty hain jo mery khayal mein ehsaas-e-kamtari ka shikaar hain, Abhi bhi waqt hay , sanbhal jaein or sudhar jaein, khudara aik millat ban jaein.......aameen .

"Proud to be a Real Pakistani"

@ imbindas
Which world do you live in Mr. "Bindas"? This is not a thinking of an aspirant of CSS not even of an average Pakistani or a muslim. You are appreciating infact saluting a guy who killed 3 people for what ever reason. On one side you are going so far in the support of the murder of your own country fellows and on the other side you criticize the murder of Ex Governor Salman Taseer. You support the judicial system of America when Affiya is punished by an American court and you criticize Pakistani court when Assiya is punished by it. Why is this double standard? You are telling Afgahnis and Iraqis that they must be thankful to Americans. Will you mind to thank a person who blows your house in front of you and kill your innocent family in front of your eyes? Do you the courage to do so? And on your views about Kashmir and Palestine I would not comment, but I would really love to see you writing your these views in papers of CSS. Thank God you left Pakistan Army, I really don't want to see guys like you to be our defenders.

Regards,

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US diplomat faces double murder charge(Express Tribune)


LAHORE:

Two cases, including one for a double murder, have been registered against US diplomats involved in a dramatic shooting and hit-and-run incident, which claimed the lives of three men in Lahore on Thursday.

One diplomat has been charged for murder for killing two men on a motorbike allegedly in self defence, at Lahore’s Qartaba Chowk – while a companion of the diplomat, who is also an American citizen, crushed to death a bike rider in a hit-and-run incident, following the shooting.

The accused diplomat, Raymond Davis, opened fire at the two men – identified as Faizan Hayder, aged 22, and Faheem, 20 – at a traffic signal of Qartaba Chowk, after which he fled from the scene.

Two of his companions, who were in a Land Cruiser, tried to follow him but in an attempt to avoid a traffic jam entered the wrong side of the road and hit a motorcycle, killing one person.

However, two wardens managed to chase the diplomat and apprehended him at the Old Anarkali chowk.

Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Muhammad Aslam Tarin confirmed that all three deceased had no previous criminal records, adding that none of them had robbed or fired at the diplomat.

Tareen further said that the American diplomat had shot at them, adding that two FIRs under Section 302 of PPC have been registered against the accused.

One FIR has been registered for shooting and killing two people, while another has registered against the unidentified accused involved in the hit-and-run.

Earlier reports suggested that the police declared those who were killed as armed dacoits. The CCPO had earlier said, “According to the diplomat two bike riders whipped out their pistol after which he fired at them in self defence and tried to flee from the scene.” He said that due to their suspicious movement, Davis thought they wanted to attack him.

Tarin said the accused was still in their custody and after consulting the embassy and prosecutors they would take action against him according to the law. He also said that the accused US diplomat was unable to show legal proof or license for carrying a weapon.

Superintendent of Police Umar Saeed Malik confirmed that both cars belonged to the US consulate. He said that the white car driven by Davis was headed towards a hotel when the incident occurred.

Ali Amjad, an eye witness, told The Express Tribune that the Land Cruiser, while following the fleeing car on Jail Road, collided with a biker identified as Ubaidur Rehman.

Davis’s car while on the run also injured a traffic warden who had tried to stop it. The car finally got stuck in a traffic jam at Anakali and was caught by the chasing warden along with an angry mob, Amjad said.

Raymond was then moved to Old Anarkali police station from where he was escorted to an unknown place by DSP Raza Safdar Kazmi in his official vehicle.

Amjad, who was present at the jail road at the time of the incident, said that the first shot was fired was from the car as, immediately after, the pillion rider fell from the bike. He said that more shots were fired from the car, after which it fled from the scene.

When contacted, US embassy spokesman Alberto Rodriguez told The Express Tribune that the embassy is working closely with the authorities and the consulate in Lahore on the issue. Although he confirmed that the US national is an employee of the consulate, he said he could not confirm his name or portfolio.

Hayder was a resident of Ravi Road and, according to his family, had left the house for the court to pursue a case against the killers of his brother who gunned him down a month ago. The family said that Hayder carried a pistol but only for self-defence. They further said that Hayder was not a dacoit, and was being used as a scapegoat by the police to save the skin of the American diplomat.

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Dear Sumal,

Thank you for raising this question. Of course no one is allowed under the law to carry weapon with him for his/her protection. As almost in 50% territory rule 144 is imposed in Pakistan. But dear this is to realize that we are citizen of the state where law mostly exists in only books, in save shelves. Therefore, people are curious in self defense.

Ok I agree with at your point of view that our own people have that much weapon which might not have a division of an army (Particularly in Balochistan and KPK). But, there are people among us who don’t like such expeditions. And we still need Great time to expel these traditions/customs and mental approaches.

Lets talk about foreigners, as America claim that she is most rich in every aspect than us, the norms they follow, the freedom they enjoy, the law they greed, the literacy attributes they sue, are all refers to the most qualified citizens as well. A qualified, well formed citizen doesn’t know the law of Pakistan, as he is also a consulate member (?).

I am waiting as others that what Pakistan government will provide officially in black and white.

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:@MAA_LLM
Sir go through following links.you will be clearified Inshallah.
History of Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:@Usman Cheema
before criticizing our Government or USA we should think and look our self as a nation.where are we.
more than 50% scholorships in pakistani universites,colleges,schools(talent,need based,Quota) are funded by USA,more than 80% developmental,educational and health aid is provided by US-aid and other NGO's funded by USA just in FATA.
This is a very little portion of US aid which far more less than the aid provided in other sectors(excluding defence).
tell me any PATRIOT(gherat brigade)pakistani which actually reject the scholorship or any aid provided by USA.two weeks ago an advertisement published in newspaper regarding US-aid which will provide scholorships to the poor pakistani students in the TOP most 11 universites of pakistan(the scholoships are not limited).
so brother we should thank USA,rather then criticizing .
and yes i SALUTE to the bravery and courage of this American guy who defended himself bravely on foreign land.can pakistani national do the same in USA...never.... because Americans are proud nation... first i would request to the nation through the begging rag then talk about Patriotism and gherat etc etc.
brother i am talking generally,if you mind anything i am sorry for that.
Allah bless you.

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You have taken the topic to the other side by bringing in the scholarships and things like that. Who is criticizing American Government or of ours? We here are discussing the murder of three Pakistani nationals by some bloody Americans. But let me answer that if Americans provide us aid they don't do this in our love or they do? They do this to protect their own interests and by the way who is answerable of those 35 billion dollars which we have lost in the "war on terror". Why should I thank American Government what special they have done for us? And please don't hurt our sentiments by questioning our courage as a nation. Yes I did mind your words and I expressed my reaction in my previous post. But that was purely due to my love for Pakistan and Muslims. No offence meant. Cheers

Regards,

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Originally Posted by imbindas before criticizing our Government or USA we should think and look our self as a nation.where are we. more than 50% scholorships in pakistani universites,colleges,schools(talent,need based,Quota) are funded by USA,more than 80% developmental,educational and health aid is provided by US-aid and other NGO's funded by USA just in FATA. This is a very little portion of US aid which far more less than the aid provided in other sectors(excluding defence). tell me any PATRIOT(gherat brigade)pakistani which actually reject the scholorship or any aid provided by USA.two weeks ago an advertisement published in newspaper regarding US-aid which will provide scholorships to the poor pakistani students in the TOP most 11 universites of pakistan(the scholoships are not limited). so brother we should thank USA,rather then criticizing

Has USA fallen in love with us or its some sort of give and take policy?

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Originally Posted by imbindas and yes i SALUTE to the bravery and courage of this American guy who defended himself bravely on foreign land.can pakistani national do the same in USA...never.... because Americans are proud nation... first i would request to the nation through the begging rag then talk about Patriotism and gherat etc etc.

Dont overrate this guy unless he is acquitted by court.

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:@Usman bhai
bro pls come out of ZAID HAMID idealogy,the world is changing,the trends are changing,who cares we have Atomic bomb or ghori,shaheen missiles.The new era is economic era,the third world war will be economic war,and the economic disaster will end of the nation.if USA put sanctions on us,trust me we will die from hunger.Allah help those who help themselves.
As long as we are beggers and slaves,they will kill us,they will dictate us,they will hit us.and the beggers do not make complaints,they quietly eat what ever is thrown towards them.so we should bear.

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So you think that having atomic bomb and missiles doesn't meant anything for us. I am sorry mate you are strongly mistaken. Had they not been with our military, we would have been swallowed by India alone up till now. Yes you are right that improving economy is of utmost importance and we need to re address our foreign policy but who will do this, no one is going to come help us, we have to help us ourselves. Play your part instead of praising America and criticizing us. I hope you got my point.

Cheers and best regards,

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