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According To Pakistani Constitution Article 243 Chapter 2 PART XII....
(1) The Federal Government shall have control and command of the Armed Forces.

According to Article 245
[(1)] The Armed Forces shall, under the directions of the Federal Government, defend Pakistan against external aggression or threat of war, and, subject to law, act in aid of civil power when called upon to do so.

If Army Cannot Do Something Through Civil ...According to You army doing something against Drone attack through politicians then it is the good will of army the Army Is Doing Something For Country Sovereignty
And according to some generals, constitution is just a piece of paper .

I would be more than happy if what is being done for the sovereignty of the country is going to avail something to the country and people of the country. Otherwise stop this experimentation with the entire society, i.e. fomenting the public opinion and bargain over it with other powers, and do something good to improves lives of the people cuz only people can assure sovereignty of the country.
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is ko kehte hain "nazriyah-e-zaroorat" or "doctrine of necessity"
baat hai to talkh par sach yehee hai k ap k politicians,army other stakeholders of national interest etc is waqt nazriyah-e-zaroorat k base par hee america sa talukat rakhey huway hain.ya waja koi aur hai?


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kamal kee baat hai, army drones ke khilaf dharne lagwa rahi hai aur bandooq politicians ko de di hai
janab sawal ye tha k kya politicians apna kirdar ada kar rahay hain drone attacks rukwanay ma?agar nahee to phir jab army khath dalti hai to phir takleef kiu hoti hai hamain.in dharnon ka maqsad to kam az kam apni jaibain bharna nahee hai na.there is nothing wrong in using different tactics for the attainment of your goals especially when the concerned party(in this case our political setup) is not playing its due role.


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(baqaida organized tareeqe se crime ho raha hai, criminals ke nexus aur syndicates bane hue hain, poore mulk main khatarnak aslaha supply ho raha hai, abhi itni see baat ke liye no1 agency of the world ko takleef dene kee kiya zaroorat hai, pata nahin woh hamari request maane bhi yaa nahin
for karachi ye organised tareekay sa crime kis ki sarparasti ma ho raha hai?agar is ko army roknay ai to phir us situation ko marshall law kehtay hain

for the rest of country kia ap ko lagta hai isi khath pa khath rakh k bethi hai?2 dhamakay jo hotay hain un k baray ma to ap ko pata chalta hai jo 8 dhamakay nahee hotay un ki khabar ap tak nahee pohanchti.at least isi ko itna credit to dey dain k wo koshish to kar rahee hai ap na to bilkul hee....

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poore pakistan ko pata hai to yeh log kiya kar rahe hain, waise to paise baant bator ke IJI tak banwa lete hain (balke karachi main yeh sab groups bhi inhoon ne hee banwaye the, pichli afghan war ke doran ). aur ab log mar rahe hain to marne do, hum america ke saath busy hain
ab ap na baat ko bilkul divert kar diya hai.crime rate ko control karna isi ka kaam nahee hai.it is as simple as that.
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And according to some generals, constitution is just a piece of paper .

I would be more than happy if what is being done for the sovereignty of the country is going to avail something to the country and people of the country. Otherwise stop this experimentation with the entire society, i.e. fomenting the public opinion and bargain over it with other powers, and do something good to improves lives of the people cuz only people can assure sovereignty of the country.
Shme on you have no respact the for consitution of pakistan
Calling it a piece of paper
If pakistan is facing problems because of like your pakistanies not army
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Shme on you have no respact the for consitution of pakistan
Calling it a piece of paper
If pakistan is facing problems because of like your pakistanies not army

, bhai jaan yeh maine nahin kaha, yeh kisi time ke is mulk ne president ne kaha tha aur woh president us waqt army chief bhi tha, bhool gaye kiya aap yaa pata hee nahin . These are the “GOLDEN” words of General Zia-ul-Haq “constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper which he can tear any time he wishes.”
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''To rate intelligence agencies is probably a job left to God alone. They are the black holes of every state, their operations, actions and plans kept secret to guard national security. Even in countries where the Freedom of Information Acts are evoked to declassify old intelligence documents, the national security argument is often used to keep information hidden forever. As with any intelligence organisation the greatest achievements are always the ones mostly closely guarded. In that light how could the general believe that any individual or organisation can actually provide a rating for intelligence agencies?''
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, bhai jaan yeh maine nahin kaha, yeh kisi time ke is mulk ne president ne kaha tha aur woh president us waqt army chief bhi tha, bhool gaye kiya aap yaa pata hee nahin . These are the GOLDEN words of General Zia-ul-Haq constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper which he can tear any time he wishes.
Brother now you are asking the pakistani consitution a piece of paper and i have see kyani has following consitution;
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Brother now you are asking the pakistani consitution a piece of paper and i have see kyani has following consitution;
well i personally like kayani, he is undoubtedly a good soldier and brilliant commander, but not all commanders are like him
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well i personally like kayani, he is undoubtedly a good soldier and brilliant commander, but not all commanders are like him
You are acting like spy chief of commanders
And all commanders are good protecting our country by sacrificing their lives:x
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i before posting this read another post of my fellow in Punjab division thread in which one criticize about my opinion.there i opined RAW is instrumental in punjab division.so when i state something that contains source and source of their western opinion maker and think tanks.so dear member its not my speculations.

John Pike and Steven Aftergood have prepared reports about different intelligence agencies.ISI and FIA are two major agencies in Pakistan. surprisingly FIA role is of wonderland fairy and west have no prejudice against it.you people know why??? "FIA have linkages with Mosaad" and ISI is funding islamist so it is incompetent state.might is right all of you have listened this Machiavellian philosophy and ISI have might this is repoted by western media and state with in state answerable neither to the leadership of the army, nor to the President or the Prime Minister.the flagrant democracy allow organizations to allow functioning manually .ISI is a rogue state then what about nestle company of Switzerland;multi national company instrumental in overthrowing government of latin american state like shell company.these are not intelligence agencies but wreaking havoc by bringing political turmoil.the world is moving toward these state with in state system as these multi national companies are allowed to do each and every thing as it is the age of might is right so president Barack obama also took loans from these multi nation's in order to fulfill the expenditures of democracy.fedral bank of america is a private bank that is monitoring policies of state.really a shocking thing when these organization are allowed to work due to their capital then why not ISI.ISI is not with U.S so the infliction cost seems to heavy for obama.the exit strategy is followed by OBL fiasco ...hahaha because america wanted a lame excuse for exit.so CIA become no 1 with black water..infact CIA should direct a movie.west media have no prejudice--in some cases it is true.so wake up and wake ,seek the designed system of west that look over us with full of prejudice and prided eye.why and why our own people are against ISI ---Calling it failed org.that is failed due to the low investment as these agencies have parasitic nature.their involvement in politics lead toward its failure.IF ISI will be isolated from army and given under the command of political govt then it will become legitimate but ourcases will always remained pending and victims will become terrorist like afia siddique and other because it have to work alike FIA..our leaders are leaders of west sitting inside Pakistan. when federal bank ----a privete bank monitored policies of U.S then our own people are cursing ISI
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, bhai jaan yeh maine nahin kaha, yeh kisi time ke is mulk ne president ne kaha tha aur woh president us waqt army chief bhi tha, bhool gaye kiya aap yaa pata hee nahin . These are the “GOLDEN” words of General Zia-ul-Haq “constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper which he can tear any time he wishes.”
Lain Kahif sahab ye ek or collateral damage hogayahmare generals ki wajah se aap ko batein sunni par gaeen

@Rayaan bhai Kashif ne Khudanakhwasta Constitution ko piece of paper nahy kaha na hi us bicharey ki ye personal opinion he..He has just quoted that what do the generals think about this sacred document..PEACE!
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