This is the biggest problem with so-called liberals or moderates (wishing to see the state as secular). They, somehow or the other, develop within their minds a strong feeling that ONLY and ONLY they are right; thus just their views need a serious thought in actual implementation.
The opponents to their views are the unforgivable criminals, whom they won't even let express themselves. So was the case with me here. Now, you may notice, all my posts have been deleted. Why? I think what they think is wrong and unacceptable! Is this the "freedom of expression" we hear a lot about from their side?
Switch on your TV sets to get a clear picture (and sound too) as to who uses the vulgar or substandard language. I'll be glad if anyone could point out where exactly I got vulgar or substandard. Please also explain to me how the two term are defined by your dictionary. Waiting!

Your posts were not deleted because of the reason you mentioned, its deleted because you dont know how to express yourself, you used some words which must not be used on this kind of forum...if you observe this thread closely you see there are 200+ posts which is not because they all are agreed at this that this state should be Secular, there are people who thinks either way but that doesn't mean you use vulgar language and abuse any of the personality.

Now, stop creating scene, take part in discussion properly and stop getting sympathy of the members by creating such posts and remain in your limits, else all of your posts will be deleted.

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~ Riz ~

@ All members
No comments on above hatred filled post. MODERATORS to show up and deal with this matter. I dont want to and dont have even time for such fellows.

Lets be on topic again;

In an Eid message to the nation in 1945, Jinnah said:

“Every Muslim knows that the injunctions of the Quran are not confined to religious and moral duties. Everyone except those who are ignorant, knows that the Quran is the general code of the Muslims. A religious, social, civil, commercial, military, judicial, criminal and penal code; it regulates everything from the ceremonies of religion to those of daily life; from the salvation of the soul to the health of the body; from the rights of all, to those of each individual; from morality to crime; from punishment here to that in the life to come, and our Prophet (S) has enjoined on us that every Muslim should possess a copy of the Holy Quran and be his own priest. Therefore, Islam is not confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines and rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society in every department of life, collectively and individually.”

Enjoy!!!

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The Demand Of Faith Is To Bow Down After Hearing The Command. Faith Cannot Co-Exist With Ifs And Buts.

Well, Holy Prophet (PBUH) said:

Meray tamam Sahaba sitaron ki manind hain. In main se kisi ki bhi pairvi kro gay to falah pa jao gay. (Bukhari Sharif)

If fights happened among some companions, there were particular reasons and ALLAH knows the best. These fights were solely not for power. It is very illogical to jump to the conclusion that they fought among themselves for power purpose. It means (god forbid) we are ignoring the saying of Holy Prophet (PBUH) and that we should not follow the companions because they fought for power.

Khulfa e Rashdin's (also among ashra mubashra) Administration was on of the best models in History... you are talking about bloodshed... why don't you look to other administrative matters. If there was bloodshed, it was not Khulfa's fault.

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Best end of life is not knowledge but action.
Don't limit yourself to what you think people are expecting!

Speech at State Bank of Pakistan opening ceremony (15 July, 1948)

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The Demand Of Faith Is To Bow Down After Hearing The Command. Faith Cannot Co-Exist With Ifs And Buts.

But all these misfortunes are not from Muslims to their minorities brothers. Muslims are itself the victim of terrorism and the people of this land are in miserable conditions.
Its not question of the religion of state. I think mostly people do not even know what is secularism and what is Islam. Perhaps the principles of Islam are superior than any other religion of the world.

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“Minds like parachutes, only function when open"

11 January, 1944 - An interview with Nicholas Beverly

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The Demand Of Faith Is To Bow Down After Hearing The Command. Faith Cannot Co-Exist With Ifs And Buts.

6th November, 1944 - In Delhi

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The Demand Of Faith Is To Bow Down After Hearing The Command. Faith Cannot Co-Exist With Ifs And Buts.

The same man also said this, not to any radio but to the Constituent Assembly of his new state:

You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.

Enjoy!!!



Jinnah was not infallible. In fact, he was a politician who knew his audience very well. He sometimes called for Shariah Law and then during other times, he said very clearly that Pakistan will not be a theocratic (Shariah) state. He contradicted himself many times and that's why there are still people who think he helped create Pakistan so that it can be a absolutist theocracy.

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He conquers who endures.

This is accusation leveled against Quaid-e-Azam by those who don't know Islam very well, contrary to Quaid-e-Azam.

Islam is not a theocracy. There were no Aalim certificates distributed among the Khulafah nor was there a select group of Ulema who formed a theocracy in an Islamic State.

Secondly, Islamic does not regulate the religion (set of beliefs) of even Muslims, example, in the last known caliphate, i.e. the Ottoman Caliphate, people of the Madahibs (religion) of Maliki, shafai and Hambali existed even though the Ottomons themselves were Hanafi. Of course there were jews, christians etc who also lived in that caliphate and none of them were harassed in respect of their religion.

The Islamic state regulates and governs the social life of a human being, not his religious life.

Hence, you see Quaid telling the constituent assembly that everyone was free to go their places of worship and state would not interfere in their Madhab.

Thus, Quaid never contradicted himself. People today are not just as knowledgeable as Quaid was.