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That isn't fair, it's just a political benefit nothing else. MQM is involved just because they want Karachi to Sukkur as a new province with a name as Mahajir province that's why they in favour of making new provinces.
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the Senior and junior my members have brilliantly enlightened the matter which has been raised by the current Govt , no doubt the more divisions ,the stronger administration and management , but the ground realities , behind policy the personal benefits can not be neglected , Pakistan has been facing linguistic , racism , sectrism since its birth , if the Siraki province came into existence the slogans will be chanted from the different parts of Pakistan , Pakistan has to be divided into pieces and Generation has to ready itself long lasting and dangerous situation as i think it is a way to creat more channels for the corruption and lay down the economy of Pakistan as the country internationally has been receiving best rewards in corruption , weak management , the matter of new province will push Pakistan to be a fail state as we are close to it .
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dear these divisions are on the basis of political interests not for administration, if it go like that it will create more problems in pakistan. it will divide pakistan into various ethnic groups ...
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Just for a second keep corruption and political gains on side, I see a brighter side of devolution of power with ideal and honest system of government. But creation of provinces is not the only way to devolve power, you can make districts and divisions more powerful by giving those more authority and increasing their area of work. In current scenario power and authority seems to be amassed by center of each province and concentration of resources is observed in some visible cities. If these resources are divided honestly among all territories of a province, administration does not remain an issue at all. CM is not supposed to visit his whole province, secretaries and ministers are not required to make a round trip of their domain on daily bases. There are certain people on district and union level who have defined set of roles, if they get required funds I don't see a room for new provinces.
But as I have omitted two most important and unfortunate factors from above assumption so lets not forget to visualize rear side of the picture too. Provincial governments like to grab the funds and resources in center, remote entities rarely get what metropolitan enjoys giving rise to desperation and jealousy amongst deprived ones. So, its not the redrawing of maps but the honesty and loyalty that is required to get maximum out of system.
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its really good on behalf of management;but we can't neglect that the other people like hazareval's etc will soon demand it and then Pakistan will just involve in this issue'''neglecting other massive problems

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If new province shouldn't be made then should we wait for more Bangladesh(s) ?
bangladesh????would you like to review the geographical facts...one never can divide like that but we ourselves..there is noting bad in makisng new provinces but keeping all calculations in view...and there are so many other ways to tackle the theme like nazim system.we can switch bac to that option(incase we cant find other) and other such type of systems to ruledown the areas........we should not go more for (firka bandi hy kaheen oor kaheen zaatain hain)
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Even If assembly votes with 100% majority even then there is NO clause in the constitution that allows them to make a new province, they can ONLY alter the limits of already existing provinces.

Making new provinces is not the solution, NOT in federations at least. We should get out of reactive politics and get into proactive one. Many people say oh because India has so many provinces and blah blah has so many provinces why cant we, India is NOT a federation, Pakistan is.



No one, Perhaps you? I only said that Pakistan is a come together federation where the provinces decided to live together under the banner of Pakistan.



The constitution clearly states in article 239 (sub article 4) that you can alter the limits of the provinces which is EXACTLY what you are quoting that "xyz" was not a part of the provinces and then they were included, NO WHERE does the constitution ALLOWS you to create a NEW province.

Secondly, It is not CLEARLY state that "You should NOT create a new province" or "You are NOT allowed to create a new province" in the constitution of Pakistan but article 239(4) already is an implication of the thought that you can ALTER the limits of the provinces if required but you CANNOT rather SHOULD NOT make new provinces.

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hehehhe ppp can also amend the articles....keeep this in mind .......18th amendment 19th,20th...........239th ammendment could be soon released....so we should stick to the topic i think thanks to all punjabi,sindhi,nwfp(kpk),gb and above all pakistanis (if there is any one)...yaaar come on we are here to debate it positively rather to fight among.......so give your advises with facts not by opposing eachother.....am i rght?

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demand for hazara province can't be compared with demand for a new province in south punjab. punjab is the biggest province and creating new provincial unit in punjab is quite a reasonable thing.thats the legitimate demand of people of south punjab.

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if quaid felt then he himself made new provinces.
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If i am not wrong India has 7 provinces at the time of independence and it has increased up to 30 or more. Yes, categorically, they have been successful with this strategy. However, sorry to say, this strategy is miserably failed in Pakistan. No so-called politician is sincere with the people but their own heinous political interests. They are making fool the innocent and ignorant people. As a matter of fact we need to understand the hidden agenda of all this drama.
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-->New provinces, if ever carved out, should be created on administrative and NOT ethnic grounds. Formation of seraiki sooba, Hazara sooba etc can furthur aggravate the ethnic divide in the same way as the new name Khyber Pakhtunkha has caused resentment among the non-pashtun residents of the province.

-->The existing provinces, most of the time, keep complaining about lack of funds. If new provinces are created, the same budget would have to be divided among more than four provinces and that would furthur decrease each province's share, causing more economic woes.

-->More provinces mean more assemblies, more members and more ministers. We are all aware of how much public money is spent on a single minister. More the ministers, more the financial burden on the state.
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