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18 US states petition to secede


Reports say that as of Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18 states have petitioned the Obama administration for secession from the union to "create [their] own new government." The petitions come within days of the presidential election.

The first petition came from Louisiana. The Examiner reports that on November 7, "Michael E" from Slidell, Louisiana, filed the petition at the White House "We the People" site, requesting that Louisiana be allowed to secede.

According to Regina Conley, reporting for Red Alert Politics, more than 8,000 Louisiana residents have signed the online petition to the Obama administration to allow the state of Louisiana to "withdraw peacefully from the United States of America and create its own new government."

The petition, citing the Declaration of Independence, said it is the right of the people to form a new government when the one in power is not the "consent of the governed."

The petition reads:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

According to Red Alert Politics, on Friday, Micah H. from Arlington, Texas, followed Louisiana with a petition that now has over 5,000 signatures.

The Texas petition reads:

"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, theTSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."

It is reported that a petition from Oregon was started Saturday by "Kristopher W" of Tillamook. The petition states that Oregon would remain an ally of the United States and possibly vote to return to the Union as soon as "the citizens of Oregon felt the Federal Government was no longer imposing" tyrannical government "that cares nothing about the future of Oregon's children."
According to Red Alert Politics, other petitions were filed from 13 states.

Red Alert Politics says each petition on the White House site has 30 days to reach a threshold of 25,000 signatures in order for the Obama administration to consider the request.
According to Iroot.org, as of 6:39 pm, Sunday, petitions have been filed from 18 states.

http://www.arynews.tv/english/newsdetail.asp?nid=66509

http://urdu.geo.tv/UrduDetail.aspx?ID=75194

http://www.inthenewstoday.net/digita...article/336662


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http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_11_12/18...-from-the-U-S/


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Obama Secession: Citizens From 18 States Ask President to Secede From the Union


To date, citizens of 18 states have petitioned the White House for consideration of a peaceful withdrawal from the United States. That's right, thousands of Americans have already signed petitions at whitehouse.gov asking President Obama to allow them to peacefully secede from the union.
The states and their updated totals are: Louisiana, 10,296; Texas, 9196; Florida, 2392; Alabama, 2492; North Carolina, 2434; Kentucky, 1934; Mississippi, 1935; Indiana, 1951; North Dakota, 881; Montana, 1538; Colorado, 1805Oregon, 1594; New Jersey, 1492; New York, 1727; South Carolina, 117; Arkansas, 86; Georgia, 131; Missouri, 149.
The ability to create the petitions is something that the Obama administration promised and delivered on because:
"We want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response."
Any petition requires 25,000 signatures for consideration. As you can see, in just a few days, Louisiana is halfway to the necessary total. In order to sign the petition, users simply need to create a whitehouse.gov account and click "sign the petition."
Before anyone begins to cry treason or some other fear tactic, this is nothing more than an activist tactic (albeit a very dramatic one) attempting to garner government attention for the state of the electorate and our nation.
As whitehouse.gov clearly reminds us:
"The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country."
No one is threatening to secede or to wage war against the United States of America. It is a petition, plain and simple. But as they say, desperate times call for desperate measures, and clearly some Americans are feeling the need to make a dramatic noise.
While Louisiana currently leads the signature count, Texas is a very close second. The Texas petition reads:
"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."
I have to admit that this move fascinates me, and leaves me wondering what may be next. Certainly there have been whispers and open talk among political pundits via the news media that a civil war is imminent. Retired Army Reserve Colonel Lawrence Sellin writes, "America is on the verge of fragmentation and civil conflict because its citizens have lost control of their government and lost faith in its political institutions."
There is no doubt that America is at a crossroads. Just how we navigate this intersection could well define the path of the world forever.




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Well sir if 20 states of America want to seperate from it then how Obama won the elections.
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there are more than 40 states in US.
Obama has won collectively so he can win elections in such chaotic situation.
But according to me the petition filed yet have only some thousand petitioners which is not a sizeable pool of any state.
second they are the shockwaves of nationalism appeared in arab, now in europe and us. in europe last news were europe at brink of nationalist collapse but in us yet nationalism has not gained enough momentum....

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
this is website where you can find out how much people are going to have signatures in those petitions. Its capatilist collapse but it will trigger if and only if obama opens more war fronts...

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there are more than 40 states in US.
Obama has won collectively so he can win elections in such chaotic situation.
But according to me the petition filed yet have only some thousand petitioners which is not a sizeable pool of any state.
second they are the shockwaves of nationalism appeared in arab, now in europe and us. in europe last news were europe at brink of nationalist collapse but in us yet nationalism has not gained enough momentum....

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
this is website where you can find out how much people are going to have signatures in those petitions. Its capatilist collapse but it will trigger if and only if obama opens more war fronts...
I Agree that there are more than 40 states in US(52 states) but everyone was not ready to select obama again.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...omney-vs-obama

You can see here that they are almost equal in getting votes. Secondly there is a day by day increase in these signatures to seperate from U.S and Obama's government.
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really amazing thing
and if 20 states want to be separate then there are 30 states also there may b in favor to elect the Obama again.
But if it is going to happening then we can say that America near to end bcoz all the states mentioned above are economically strong and more papolated among other ones
and its also create a dramatic situation in America and effects on its economic and power also
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Apparently this is not going to happen, at least not in near future. The main issue is of economy and USA (still being the No.1 at economy in world) has started making efforts to get rid of the unemployment and economic gaps amongst various states. Another thing, the states which are leading in such petitions, I think, are those, where Obama did not get sucess Further, simultaneously there have been petitions that persons who are raising petitions for dismemberment /breakage of USA should be deported

lets wait and see, I really dont buy this idea
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Bertrand Russel, a great historian says, " Every nation has a rise and a fall." So is the view of Ibne Khaldoon.


Power has been transferring from nations to nations, countries to countries and continents to continents. It has never lived perpenantely in any hand It is because change is constant.

In earliest period, the East was more civilized and powerful than the west. Then, the west achieved power with the developments of Greeks and Rome.

These both civilizations saw the rise and decline was unavoidable and unstoppable. Undoubtedly, they were blessed with decline. Power slipped away; and caught by the East. This period was known as Golden Period of Muslims.

When we started making tombs, palaces, gardens; European had started making libraries and universities. And, indeed, we see our fall and westerns are enjoying the rise.

The reason behind above talk is to tell that power never lives at one place.

If 20 states of U.S.A want separation what about 30 others? What I can say land which remains silent for years can burst up with burning volcano(When? None knows!).
One can't stop and launch the change. Change has its free will. It doesn't ask when to come and when to go.



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Bertrand Russel, a great historian says, " Every nation has a rise and a fall." So is the view of Ibne Khaldoon.


Power has been transferring from nations to nations, countries to countries and continents to continents. It has never lived perpenantely in any hand It is because change is constant.

In earliest period, the East was more civilized and powerful than the west. Then, the west achieved power with the developments of Greeks and Rome.

These both civilizations saw the rise and decline was unavoidable and unstoppable. Undoubtedly, they were blessed with decline. Power slipped away; and caught by the East. This period was known as Golden Period of Muslims.

When we started making tombs, palaces, gardens; European had started making libraries and universities. And, indeed, we see our fall and westerns are enjoying the rise.

The reason behind above talk is to tell that power never lives at one place.

If 20 states of U.S.A want separation what about 30 others? What I can say land which remains silent for years can burst up with burning volcano(When? None knows!).
One can't stop and launch the change. Change has its free will. It doesn't ask when to come and when to go.



Uncle Sam is cleverer than our Ideas. She would have started working on her solutions.

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West did'nt achieve power by the development of industry not with the development of rome or greece.
The industrial revolution was followed by those scholars who escaped after last crusade in europe. please correct it.
Refrence (History for Pakistan book 2 Oxford by peter moss chapter=effect of crusades)
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West did'nt achieve power by the development of industry not with the development of rome or greece.
The industrial revolution was followed by those scholars who escaped after last crusade in europe. please correct it.
Refrence (History for Pakistan book 2 Oxford by peter moss chapter=effect of crusades)

Please, read a small chapter of Bertrand Russel 'Reflection on the reawakening East'
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