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I am very reluctantly posting here because I do not want to put my point of view here. But what really matters for me is: I do not want to see more atrocities, no more killings. However, there is a fair chance of such an atrocity to be prevailed in a situation like this. May Allah guide our leaders to the best, may He make them use their minds. May Allah protect the whole nation, especially those who will be with the 'long march'. Ameen
we have to go through this crisis to strengthen as a nation
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but here in Pakistan we have a highly conservative culture and politics so they are all crossing their limits.... that's how I define it
Political culture that is, in short without blaming anyone and trying to find conspiracy behind it I would say 'political culture of this country is highly charged and volatile and keeps giving trouble to governments, this is perhaps because this country has lacked ckear direction since independence' . Now it's a natural fact that cultures evolve so let's hope it evolves for better
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PM's Speech.

Confident Body Language
Excellent Choice of Words
Motivational Tone
Spell-binding Presentation.

This speech is far more motivational and excellent than Abraham Lincoln's famous Gettysburg address.

PS: Ya Allah mujhay maaf kar daina.



Lets see how IK responds.
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Their are much possibilities of dissimilar aftermaths of the azadi or revolution march. Apparently, Pti and Pat are on different pages, their motives are not similar. There is also a very good chance of these two parties assaulting one another on 14 august in the wake to approve their own ideas and missions.
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IK responded and Javed Hashmi protested . Such news definitely will have an impact on PTI morale although to what extent it would affect the movement can't be commented upon, and it also shows there is pressure and tension among PTI ranks. Qadri on the other hand is one man army, he needs not care about anything
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Editorial in daily 'Dawn'

The stock market has seen historic withdrawals sparked by panic. The rupee is struggling as importers are buying dollars in large quantities, also driven by panic. Day-to-day government work haund to a halt. Shipments of edibles and fuel into cities and towns across Punjab are disrupted, leaving markets and home running low on supplies of perishable food.

Citizens have to first locate pumps that are open and then endure four-hour wait to fill up. The intercity movement of goods an people is strangulated, decisions remain stuck in limbo, stocks are running low in factories and homes and uncertainty grips the financial markets as the country waits to see how the brewing confrontation between the government and the PTI will end. Pakistan may have witnessed worse situations before, such as the post-election violence of 1977, but even today, extra-constitutional intervention cannot be discounted.

The blame lies with the politicians, beginning with Imran Khan, who has thrown a spanner into the wheel of democratic consolidation in Pakistan. His grievances, while valid and in need of investigation, do not merit such extreme action, especially when it is yet to be demonstrated convincingly that the irregularities pointed out changed the outcome of the election. Many elections, particularly in developing countries, when examined under the microscope, will show irregularities of some sort, and Pakistan is no exception.

But, instead of calling for a re-election and demonstrating his support on the streets, the wiser course would have been for Mr Khan to accept the government’s offer of negotiating a way out of the stand-off. In the end, the vast and messy contest of democracy works only because all parties agree that the outcome in hand is the only one they have to work with in spite of imperfections in the process. Mr Khan might think he deserved to win the election last year, but he did not and must accept that reality.

And what is Nawaz Sharif’s excuse for his role in such amateurpolitics? After all, this is not his first taste of the combustibility of Pakistani democracy. He takes pride in presenting himself as the repository of Pakistan’s political memory, boasting three decades of experience in politics. Was it then so hard for the prime minister to deal with Mr Khan’s grievances before matters came to a head? Was it necessary to blockade his own capital and his hometown, thereby signalling his weakness and desperation?
Mr Khan has behaved like a novice by not leaving himself a way to climb down from the maximalist position he has taken. But Mr Sharif has played into his opponents’ hands by staying aloof for long and then panicking. The result is a march of folly that begins tomorrow and ends in territory as yet unknown.

www.dawn.com/news/1124994/march-of-folly
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Soon after when PTI and PAT decided to go hand in hand, a decision taken more out of political expediency. Internal fissures within party started to appear, leading to alienation of JAved Hashmi. Afterwards, PTI decided to part its ways with PAT, as reflected by the separate departure of both parties from Lahore. Now when PTI led Azadi march and PAT's Inqalab march are on the outskirts of the capital, situation is still very murky. it is still very difficult to say anything definitely what is in store for govt.

Now another question for members what will happen now? will PM Sharif tender his resignation, or Mr. Khan will have to return empty-handed. Is it going to be a zero- some game or will it prove win-win situation for both PMLN and PTI. It is indeed a test of members' foresight and analytically skill if they can predict precisely what is gonna happen.
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IK can't step back otherwise his political journey ends here. TUQ has got an edge in the form of IK's Azaadi March, thus he indubitably can't turn back too, this is the right time for him for what he wants to achieve. NS's establishment - this time may prove last time - do not want to repeat history again.
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Soon after when PTI and PAT decided to go hand in hand, a decision taken more out of political expediency. Internal fissures within party started to appear, leading to alienation of JAved Hashmi. Afterwards, PTI decided to part its ways with PAT, as reflected by the separate departure of both parties from Lahore. Now when PTI led Azadi march and PAT's Inqalab march are on the outskirts of the capital, situation is still very murky. it is still very difficult to say anything definitely what is in store for govt.

Now another question for members what will happen now? will PM Sharif tender his resignation, or Mr. Khan will have to return empty-handed. Is it going to be a zero- some game or will it prove win-win situation for both PMLN and PTI. It is indeed a test of members' foresight and analytically skill if they can predict precisely what is gonna happen.
Ranjha Sahab, in my point of view the PM will resign. Because IK has he will not ask (again) for a technocrat set up or a martial law, and the rest of his demands of independent judicial commission have already been met as announced by the PM. What remains for IK is PM's resignation. And he openly asked for it that his long march is to take PM's resignation nothing less than that...
On the other side, the Inqalab march has demanded the same, and it seems if Qadri and IK have concluded a deal to send PM home 'as a first step".


Finally, for IK's political carrier it is crucial to gain something--and this "something" is no less than the PM's resignation. On the government side, PM's resignation is not too heavy a price...I mean they (PML-N) can manage it. Moreover, if PM remains stick to its seat then it will be very hard for IK to submit before the government. However, only one thing can protect the PM; if (may it not happen) any disaster takes place in the KPK; like today's heavy precipitation and loss...That can compel PTI to return 'home' regardless of the gain or loss!

Hence, it is (can be) reduced to only two options: 1) PM's resignation or 2) Martial Law
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Much as we love martial laws and humiliation of elected PMs, I don't think that is going to happen. Sorry.

Apparently it seems that people who run this country have stepped in to broker a deal between the rivals of this stunt:

"The military establishment has got the assurances from both the protesting parties, PTI and PAT that their protest would be peaceful and they would not hold sit-in in Islamabad and peacefully disperse after holding the rallies. These assurances came as a result of the other day’s meeting of Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif and COAS General Raheel Sharif.

PTI has given the assurance to the government that it will not hold a sit-in in Islamabad and avoid paralysing life in the capital. The PTI chief would withdraw its demand of immediate resignation of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and restrict himself to the verification of election results of some constituencies."

http://www.nation.com.pk/national/15...-marchers-deal

Let's see if another u-turn from Imran is in the offing.
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