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In the midst of March and Inqalab and interesting comparison can be made here,.........Tahir ul Qadri is exhibiting strong leadership qualities, showing very firm control over his charged crowd. On the other hand ‪#‎IK‬ is losing this battle of leadership by admitting every know and then he can't control his marchers anymore. . Earlier, he lost many of his fans when he deviated from his solemn pledge not to enter in red zone.
"We learnt from history that we do not learn from history"

We are repeating the mistakes of 1960s not 1990s. People are deliberately kept blind to exercise "our" hegemony. And this hegemony will meet the same fate (God forbid).

To make it very clear, IK will never be given a chance to take PM-ship even though he supports the military coup 1000 times! This is to claim because army never gives shoulder to such immature "leader". However, it can use such puppets. But painfully to argue (God forbid) our [the] most respectable institution will be ruined as it happened in the Middle East.

Of course many of my fellow members will disagree. But let me strengthen my point of view. In any of the developed countries their armies are answerable to their civilian leaders. But here in Pakistan it is otherwise.

It is just to keep everyone in "limits".

Let me quote Maulana Tariq Jamil Sahib:

"To be successful in this world there are set principles. Whosoever follows he will be successful regardless of the fact that he is a Muslim or a non-Muslim. On the other hand, the world hereafter is dependent of both of the factors ( The set principles for this world; and to be a 'KALMA-GOH')".

Hence, this is the reason, the Jews, the Christians (I am sorry to say) have won over this world... And the Muslims! are the losers of both the worlds
And Pakistan with no exception!
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Apparently the government is tactically retreating in order to gain political ground. It shows that in Pakistan there is no such thing as professional responsibility and the law cannot be implemented unless political conditions are favorable. What to say, it's like the law favor the strong , for common citizens like us that is the major problem I suppose. Apparently IK has reneged from his written pledge, what to say of a people who are led by those who don't keep their word even before their own people.
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The only reason Pakistan is not "The Islamic Republic" and the masses never voted for Islam is not due to the fact that they don't support Islam.
Actually they do support Islam, but the main loophole is that...All the biggest religious leaders of Pakistan are always seen reluctant for adopting any political stance...This mob is nothing...Dawat-e-Islami, Tableeghi Jammaat and many Suffi lines can bring a mob that can block the whole G.T road...Why these religious parties behave like deaf and dumb for present scenario. Is participating in the politics some thing Haram in Islam? When these people will come out of their "Khaanqahs" and will play their true role? I think these leaders are more responsible for the present situation...What Asif Zardari can do if 18 Crore people are voting for him and electing him? It's because people have got limited and wrong choices...It's because some people are shirking from their jobs...And these are Ulemas who are actually true " Awami Leaders"...TUQ is just a fraction of what these Ulemas and Suffiyas are...If only Green Turbans come out they can topple the whole government within hours.
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Finally they have reached in front of the parliament. Apart from other concerns to democracy etc., no one talks about the pollution concern!. When one goes near abpara, a strange unpleasant smell enters his nostrils. Just imagine, of what that smell would be!. Last year after TUQ dharna, the litter was removed through cranes which are normally used to dig or carry earth. The nearby trees are damaged, to extract wood, for making sticks. Daily commodities, like milk, chicken, vegetables etc are hard to find. Prices have hiked!. If the dharna continues for more days, the situation would be even worse!.
Both Government and the revolutionists should come in their senses and handle the situation judiciously, without any damage, any mishap or any chaos!.
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The picture that I am drawing now is IK was expecting present government would be toppled and he would gain central role in the unfolding events. Perhaps some 'conservative elements' of the army assured him that if situation crossed certain limit then army high command would consent army play it's part and change government. IK gambled, he kept crossing limits but it hasn't paid off as of yet and army high command is not convinced . Army chief meeting with sharifs shows that all attempts were made to convince him but he is refusing and now perhaps IK won't go any further because it could trigger violence

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The picture that I am drawing now is IK was expecting present government would be toppled and he would gain central role in the unfolding events. Perhaps some 'conservative elements' of the army assured him that if situation crossed certain limit then army high command would consent army play it's part and change government. IK gambled, he kept crossing limits but it hasn't paid off as of yet and army high command is not convinced . Army chief meeting with sharifs shows that all attempts were made to convince him but he is refusing and now perhaps IK won't go any further because it could trigger violence
So now the game is in hands of those 'conservative elements', their henchmen (the middle men Sheikh Rasheed etc) and Qadri . If they can take it to violent extreme then the drama will result in some form of governmental chaos. Nevertheless as for IK my mind tells me he has lost it

Qadri apparently has a battalion prepared to go for fighting. Nawaz made a mistake by trying to 'restrain them by force' and it resulted in making them stronger. But will he go to such extent, his madness suggests a level of probability but even he would weigh the situation perhaps .
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Default Stalemate Continues

After another day of siege, hightened tension, rumours and uncertainities in the corridors of power, evening, as usually in Islamabad is, slightly temperate in term of political temperature. Govt has formed rwo seperate committees tasked with meeting IK and TUQ. This return of common sense is maily due to two official statements issued by ISPR, the ultimate power weilders in Pakistan. Still there is no sign of any immediate negotiated settlement, for all stakeholders are tightly holding on to their orignal positions, no one is ready to budge. So stalemate continues. Lets see who blink first......

Can any body guess what will be the exact outcome of this ongoing crisis?
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Can any body guess what will be the exact outcome of this ongoing crisis?
being more candid, the situation as of now suggest Shahbaz Sharif would resign and the current tensions would whither off, but it would be end of a battle, war (the crisis) would perhaps continue as this battle ended in stalemate, not victory for any side . That is my guess
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It must be remembered that longer this siege continues stronger it grows, if the government is expecting that it will 'tire away' then it's wrong expectation. And the stronger it grows chances of it going out of control also grow .
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It must be remembered that longer this siege continues stronger it grows, if the government is expecting that it will 'tire away' then it's wrong expectation. And the stronger it grows chances of it going out of control also grow .
Technically an impasse provides time and opportunity to build up forces, and it works for both sides facing each other and is not one way. Perhaps the government is assuming that only 'she has the ability to build forces'. The evidence suggests that now it has started in other cities
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