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this step of IK is face saving. he have to continue his political career. crowd is with him and they are in islamabad, government should negotiate with them.
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I'm not a supporter of Imran Khan due to his views about the Taliban, but he has every right to protest. And what is this talk of "saving democracy"? What this does phrase even mean? A democracy that is endangered by one protest doesn't deserve to be called a democracy.
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Peaceful protests are everyone's right, I don't think anyone would dispute that. But whatever Khan sahab has been doing can hardly be called peaceful or a constitutional right. Before he pulled the whole stunt, he assured the interior minister that people will not enter in the red zone. And what happened after that? I don't think it's a political right to ask for a march with specified locations and then whip up the emotions of the mob with wild rhetoric and send them off to lay siege to the parliament and other places. This is more in line with fascism, not democracy, I should say. Imran is probably looking for a couple of dead bodies over which he can keep his game rolling. Never thought he would stoop down to this level. Tomorrow some other political group can march on the capital with their own demands and we would have to concede them too because, hey, we have a precedence. What a country!

I find it funny that the whole issue that started with counting votes in four constituencies has come down to nothing else but resignation of the PM and in what tone? oye Nawaz and oye this and oye that. This is like a thug challenging his opponents on a market cross, nothing more. Seems like Imran will have dozens killed to fulfill his craze of becoming the PM.
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I find it funny that the whole issue that started with counting votes in four constituencies has come down to nothing else but resignation of the PM and in what tone? oye Nawaz and oye this and oye that. This is like a thug challenging his opponents on a market cross, nothing more. Seems like Imran will have dozens killed to fulfill his craze of becoming the PM.

Nothing is going to happen since an easing of tension is appearing today. It seems a last day of Test match.
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This is more in line with fascism, not democracy, I should say. Imran is probably looking for a couple of dead bodies over which he can keep his game rolling.
it's not fascism because even fascism has discipline and purpose, I would term this as some form of 'jagga'ism . Fascists would bully their way into something, what is this happening in this country all about???
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Peaceful protests are everyone's right, I don't think anyone would dispute that. But whatever Khan sahab has been doing can hardly be called peaceful or a constitutional right.

I find it funny that the whole issue that started with counting votes in four constituencies has come down to nothing else but resignation of the PM and in what tone?
The deadlock is purely a ego problem on both sides. Imran has painted himself into a corner by asking for the PM's resignation and now he's looking to save face. If he had made more reasonable demands such as conducting a vote audit or electoral reforms Nawaz would've been forced to accept.

The same applies to Nawaz Sharif too, had he agreed for a recount in 4 constituencies, this matter would have over long ago. In fact, Nawaz himself created the hype for this march by initially trying to stop the PTI and PAT (and the Model Town incident).

On a side note, we need to take a look at sound cannons, they aren't widely used, but seem to be very effective, especially as they cause no physical injury.
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I agree this is hardly anything more than a case of bubbling egos on both sides. Nawaz has a reputation of acting like a monarch and he hasn't changed much. But the case of Imran Khan is completely dismal. First, re-counting votes is not the job of the government but the election tribunal which had already ordered re-counting in two constituencies before the march began. Remaining cases were pending in the court and it was only a matter of time that the re-counting would've occurred in the remaining two constituencies (not that it would've titled the balance in favor of PTI). So calls for a long march on this issue hardly make any sense. Still, one is free to protest. But what Imran and his cronies are doing is anything but a peaceful protest. And the kind of demands he has been making are like a gangster boss is some western flick.

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it's not fascism because even fascism has discipline and purpose, I would term this as some form of 'jagga'ism . Fascists would bully their way into something, what is this happening in this country all about???
Quite so. Take a look at this: http://www.dawn.com/news/1126545/fro...type-character

It seems pretty evident who the only party benefiting from the whole mess is.
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The same applies to Nawaz Sharif too, had he agreed for a recount in 4 constituencies, this matter would have over long ago. In fact, Nawaz himself created the hype for this march by initially trying to stop the PTI and PAT (and the Model Town incident).
Nawaz would naturally resist such demands that can affect his position. The question is what were institutions of the state who could have solved this in a 'civilized democratic way' doing and where were all 'checks and balances'. Why whole system crumbled and eventually allowed 'jagga' fight become order of the day and media running the show like a wwe pay per view and eventually bigger 'jagga' had to step in.

I think it's a loose loose situation for all except 'jagga'ism, at least uptil now
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The question is what were institutions of the state who could have solved this in a 'civilized democratic way' doing and where were all 'checks and balances'. Why whole system crumbled and eventually allowed 'jagga' fight become order of the day and media running the show like a wwe pay per view and eventually bigger 'jagga' had to step in.
That is Pakistan's GREATEST problem, the weakness of state institutions. For example why didn't FBR think about sending a tax notice to Qadri before this? As some guy on Facebook said, FBR officials deserve to be sacked if they did it under political pressure and if they realized that Qadri owes tax after so many years they should still be sacked.

Personally I think reforming the CSP is a must for developing stronger institutions.
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It is a must I agree, and I believe it cannot happen unless 'elites' thinking' is not changed . We perhaps need different, more enlightened aware and educated, elites
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