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Well. You can't play hockey by putting on a baggy. I am afraid if same baggy and Naqab got allocated for Swimming, all women will be drowned.
Religion is a personal choice. It's also a personal choice, to what extent some one want to be in the boundaries of religion.
Some one asked Dr Zakir about Sania Mirza that she wears short dresses etc. He replied to him that she is better then our male cricket players as she says her 5 times prayer. I'll add...She is better at least then our so-called religious "Burq Posh" (having hidden relations) as she never got caught in any "Affairs" during her career.
As far as France case is concerned it is same like beard. People are not comfortable about Muslim appearances after 9/11..Again due Talibans the Saviors of their version of Islam...The reason even liberal actors like SRK came up with a block buster "My name is Khan"...

one must accept the diversification in religious n respect every norm in our society and it is a common phenomena that a person gets a prestigious post
in our society many of us hate or jealous him directly or indirectly i don't no whether malala is an agent or not but one thing is clear she got Nobel prize n presented a soft image of Pakistan.
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You can't play hockey by putting on a baggy. I am afraid if same baggy and Naqab got allocated for Swimming, all women will be drowned.
That's not a complicated issue, in such a case where it becomes impossible for females to cover them selves up, then from Islamic point of view it becomes outright haram or forbidden to play hockey or to swim in front of strange men.

As a Muslim you must know what would be the ruling regarding the matter. When you don't know, ask the ulama, don't say things that are contrary to Islamic teachings.

Wassalam!

People who are discussing the veil here, should read the following:

If you're a Muslim you must know that "Hijab" i.e. covering the whole body except for hands and face, is fardh (obligatory) upon women. There's no ikhtilaf among the ulama of any firqa about its being fardh.

However covering the face is wajib i.e. necessary. Though, there are difference of opinion among the ulama of different sects.

Do you deny hijab? If so, you will be committing kufr, because as per fiqhi books denial of a wajib act act leads one to fisq, and denial of fardh is clear kufr!!!

Read the following excerpts from fiqh book "Nur al Idah" from page 12:

The Rulings Pertaining To Jurisprudence [Fiqh]

"Persons who are morally responsible mukallif take one of the folowing ruling in the Hanafi Madhhab.

I- The Obligatory Fardh, For the majority of scholars, fard and wajib are synonymous, and both convey an imperative and binding demand regarding the performance of an action. The obligatory is an act that is established by a decisive text dalil qati whose meaning is decisive and not open to the possibility of interpretation, such as the five pillars of prayer, and that which has been established by way of Sunna Muttawatir, such as the recitation of Quran in prayer. The Hanafis however, have drawn a distinction between fard and wajib. An act is deemed obligatory fardh according to the Hanafis if it is conveyed in a clear and definitive text of the Quran or sunna known as dalil qati. Though if the command to perform something is conveyed in a speculative text dalil dhanni, then the act is deemed necessary [wajib]. It is compulsory to perform that which is deemed obligatory. One who performs an obligatory act out of obedience to God is rewarded, while a person who abstains from an obligatory act without a valid excuse makes himself liable and deserving of punishment.

The one who denies the binding nature of an obligatory act becomes an unbeliever if it is established through a clear and definitive text dalil qati, but not if he disputes the authority of a command that is deemed wajib, although he becomes a transgressor.

A consequence of the distinction between fard and rsajib is that when the ford is neglected in an act required by the Sacred law, the whole act is null and void. For example; if one leaves out the bowing or prostration of the obligatory prayers, the whole prayer is nullified, though if he leaves out the recitation of the Fatiha which is wajib!, the prayer is valid, but deficient. 2- The Necessary [wajib] according to the Hanafi school is that which is established by a firm command, but which has been established through a text that allows for the possibility of interpretation. This textual proof is called dalil dhanni. This type relates to acts such as sadaqah al-Fitr and the witr prayer. Verily, these have been established by a speculative text [dhanni text] that is open to interpretation. If however, the subject thing is cstablishcd with a definitive and clear proof [dalil qat'i], such as with a Quranic verse or hadith Muttawatir, then it is deemed obligatory fardh as previously mentioned.

Denying that which is necessary/wajib is deemed as corruption fisq!, though not disbelief. To leave a wajib act is sinful.

The omission of wajib components of prayer does not nullify prayer provided it is omitted absentmindedly and provided two forgetful prostrations are performed at the end of prayer. If a wajib component of prayer is intentionaly omitted, then one is required to repeat his prayer in order to amend the defect.
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LOL! The fatwa of kufr was all that was remaining. How very predictable (and of course, tolerant and peaceful) 'moderate' Muslims are.

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So in games everyone is free to choose dress code according to their choice?
No, everyone is not free to wear anything. You have to wear the dress that is appropriate for a particular game. If you are wearing baggy pants and dupattas in a hockey game, then you should give up on any hopes of winning.

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Then our state should be secular instead islamic state?
Yes, a state should a secular. And there is no such thing as 'Islamic state' (except, of course, the demon that we are seeing in Iraq these days).

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Well freedom of choice is right of everyone, but how this liberal view change when a woman choose niqab as her dress code but then she is termed as ''oppressed'', "living in 10th century", liberals will appreciate france's ban on "niqab" but will condemn if "niqab" is made compulsory.
You said it yourself. Everyone is free to choose. If someone wants to wear niqab, go ahead by all means. If someone does not want to wear it, don't force it upon them.

And no, liberals do not support any kind of bans on niqab. Conservatives just like to lie. Oh and majority of French Muslims support this ban, but conservatives don't like to look up the facts before rushing into funny judgments.
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That's not a complicated issue, in such a case where it becomes impossible for females to cover them selves up, then from Islamic point of view it becomes outright haram or forbidden to play hockey or to swim in front of strange men.

As a Muslim you must know what would be the ruling regarding the matter. When you don't know, ask the ulama, don't say things that are contrary to Islamic teachings.

Wassalam!

People who are discussing the veil here, should read the following:

If you're a Muslim you must know that "Hijab" i.e. covering the whole body except for hands and face, is fardh (obligatory) upon women. There's no ikhtilaf among the ulama of any firqa about its being fardh.

However covering the face is wajib i.e. necessary. Though, there are difference of opinion among the ulama of different sects.

Do you deny hijab? If so, you will be committing kufr, because as per fiqhi books denial of a wajib act act leads one to fisq, and denial of fardh is clear kufr!!!

Read the following excerpts from fiqh book "Nur al Idah" from page 12:

The Rulings Pertaining To Jurisprudence [Fiqh]

"Persons who are morally responsible mukallif take one of the folowing ruling in the Hanafi Madhhab.

I- The Obligatory Fardh, For the majority of scholars, fard and wajib are synonymous, and both convey an imperative and binding demand regarding the performance of an action. The obligatory is an act that is established by a decisive text dalil qati whose meaning is decisive and not open to the possibility of interpretation, such as the five pillars of prayer, and that which has been established by way of Sunna Muttawatir, such as the recitation of Quran in prayer. The Hanafis however, have drawn a distinction between fard and wajib. An act is deemed obligatory fardh according to the Hanafis if it is conveyed in a clear and definitive text of the Quran or sunna known as dalil qati. Though if the command to perform something is conveyed in a speculative text dalil dhanni, then the act is deemed necessary [wajib]. It is compulsory to perform that which is deemed obligatory. One who performs an obligatory act out of obedience to God is rewarded, while a person who abstains from an obligatory act without a valid excuse makes himself liable and deserving of punishment.

The one who denies the binding nature of an obligatory act becomes an unbeliever if it is established through a clear and definitive text dalil qati, but not if he disputes the authority of a command that is deemed wajib, although he becomes a transgressor.

A consequence of the distinction between fard and rsajib is that when the ford is neglected in an act required by the Sacred law, the whole act is null and void. For example; if one leaves out the bowing or prostration of the obligatory prayers, the whole prayer is nullified, though if he leaves out the recitation of the Fatiha which is wajib!, the prayer is valid, but deficient. 2- The Necessary [wajib] according to the Hanafi school is that which is established by a firm command, but which has been established through a text that allows for the possibility of interpretation. This textual proof is called dalil dhanni. This type relates to acts such as sadaqah al-Fitr and the witr prayer. Verily, these have been established by a speculative text [dhanni text] that is open to interpretation. If however, the subject thing is cstablishcd with a definitive and clear proof [dalil qat'i], such as with a Quranic verse or hadith Muttawatir, then it is deemed obligatory fardh as previously mentioned.

Denying that which is necessary/wajib is deemed as corruption fisq!, though not disbelief. To leave a wajib act is sinful.

The omission of wajib components of prayer does not nullify prayer provided it is omitted absentmindedly and provided two forgetful prostrations are performed at the end of prayer. If a wajib component of prayer is intentionaly omitted, then one is required to repeat his prayer in order to amend the defect.
No body here is denying the Importance of Hijab in Islam. I know that Hijab is a necessary evil. But it's not an only thing left to be imposed. And doing Hijab is some thing different. What Malala discussed is a specific type of Hijab... She did n't said to ban hijab...TAWAKKUL KARMAN also does hijab. Malala herself is never seen "Be Hijaab"...Only Sharmeen Obaid is seen with out hijab in specific form...But she is not an issue here...Malala herself is a girl doing hijab. According to Hazrat Ayesha R.A you may show your face. But some other Sahabas deny this...So what's the matter here. Quran also says to use "Jalbaab" and Jalbaab is not to cover the face...

So, nobody here is saying doing Hijab is wrong...Even Malala...Holding a Fatwa of Kufr on some body without certain cause is also "Kufr" according to all Ulemas of all sects...
And the most exalted condition of a man to be decided as a Kafir and his expulsion from Islamic state+Imprisonment+Avoid his burial in Muslim Cemetery is the Leaving of Salah...No body points out the basics of Islam...Salah,Sayyam,Character. Ikhlaq which is the heaviest among all deeds according to hadith is never given importance... In Ikhlaq having strong character is the most important...
So, If you are Ensnared in A Shuttle Cock but your mobile contains all the Numbers of your Boy friends next doors...No advantage of such hijab as "Hidden Relationships" is so much hated in Islam that Quran stops Muslim men to not marry such women having hidden relations or freindships (Surah Nisa)...
There are 1000s of other things which are more important in Islam then Hijab. Why Talibans not practice such things and always reiterate on few less important then them...Malala is right in this case...Only Suleman Rushdie case is wrong...
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That's not a complicated issue, in such a case where it becomes impossible for females to cover them selves up, then from Islamic point of view it becomes outright haram or forbidden to play hockey or to swim in front of strange men.
Wassalam!

People who are discussing the veil here, should read the following:

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If you're a Muslim you must know that "Hijab" i.e. covering the whole body except for hands and face, is fardh (obligatory) upon women. There's no ikhtilaf among the ulama of any firqa about its being fardh.

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Do you deny hijab? If so, you will be committing kufr, because as per fiqhi books denial of a wajib act act leads one to fisq, and denial of fardh is clear kufr!!!
Hijab is a sign of oppression like none other.


As I said earlier, only misogynistic religious zealots who want us to live in the 7th century are against Malala and when their allegations that she's an American agent can't do the job they show their true women hating face. It's not surprising that females are most opposed to Malala because its also females who are most vehemently opposed to the liberation of women.
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It's not surprising that females are most opposed to Malala because its also females who are most vehemently opposed to the liberation of women.
I don't agree your Hijab statement...But I do notice as well that this is a very specific case in which women are against a Liberal women..."Jealousy" in our Pakistani Girls is much prevalent in this case. If it is so...
We love Malala...Such a cute and modest girl...And Now she is holding Noble Peace Prize...Woah... Strongest teenager of Pakistan...What could be more impressive...
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Well I'm not jealous of malala but here some members ask what's wrong in her book, and were asking to post the excerpts which anyone suppose are objectionable so I posted those excerpts just to listen their point of view on them.
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Kashif, Gypsi, Hassan you people Never Understand. i told you that please read her book first and then speak. I am Malala book is written by her father not Malala
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herself is a Even Malala...Holding a Fatwa of Kufr on some body without certain cause is also "Kufr" according to all Ulemas of all sects...

Ikhlaq which is the heaviest among all deeds according to hadith is never given importance... In Ikhlaq having strong character is the most important...

So, If you are Ensnared in A Shuttle Cock but your mobile contains all the Numbers of your Boy friends next doors...No advantage of such hijab as "Hidden Relationships" is so much hated in Islam that Quran stops Muslim men to not marry such women having hidden relations or freindships.


There are 1000s of other things which are more important in Islam then Hijab. Why Talibans not practice such things and always reiterate on few less important then them....
Let's get some facts straight here:

1. Nobody is denying that as a Muslim we must have good Ikhlaq. But have you ever heard the great saying that being silent about the truth is a dumb shaitaan! Excuse me if it sound harsh but we must speak up the truth!

2. I've not issuing the fatwa of kufr upon Malala, as I don't know her views regarding hijab and niqab. I concur she herself appears in hijab.

3. Not doing hijab is a grave sin! keeping hidden haram relationships with ghair mahram is also another grave sin! Two separate issues. But both are sinful. Sins are sins in the sight of Allah and in the sight of true Muslims!

4. You shouldn't say that there are thousands of issues more important than hijab. In fact, every command of Islam is equally important. Islamic rulings are important than anything and anyone!!

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According to Hazrat Ayesha R.A you may show your face. But some other Sahabas deny this...So what's the matter here. Quran also says to use "Jalbaab" and Jalbaab is not to cover the face...
Please show me the athar (quotes) from Hadhrat Ayesha Radhiallahu anha and from Sahaba karam Radhiallahu anhum who deny "Niqab".

As has been stated earlier, there's difference between hijab and niqab. About hijab being fardh or obligatory there's no ikhtilaf or difference of opinion regarding any Scholar of any sect.
But about the wujoob of "niqab/face cover" there's is ikhtilaf which is being discussed now. I know about niqab even our scholars have differing opinions, many don't call it wajib. The ulama have done there job, us laymen shouldn't dwell into it if we don't have complete knowledge so I just want to know how how you get at that sahaba deny niqab. In short I want to know what's your source. Please show me.

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Astaghfirullah! La haola wa la quwata illah billah!

If you're not a Muslim then keep saying whatever you want to say. You'll see the truth on Qayamah when you'll be roasted in fire!

If you're a Muslim, I'd sincerely advise you to be concerned about your faith, fear Allah, such kufri statement can ruin your Iman or that might have already ruined your Iman. Please be careful!

Hijab is fardh, a beautiful command from beloved Allah, not an operation, believe it or not, won't make any change!

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It's not surprising that females are most opposed to Malala because its also females who are most vehemently opposed to the liberation of women.
Anyone who goes against Islam and Muslims I oppose them! I once heard her lecture she were stating something as opposed to Islam. For me my Islam is the priority. Nonetheless I'll pray to Allah to guide her.

These liberal men and women, in other words "moderate Moslems" are just as worse problem, clearly going against Islam, make friend with kuffar, make money and make 'happy Muslim' video, that's all what they can do!
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I don't pray five time a day nor follow Islamic rules and regulation but don't talk against my religion Islam. Malala wants that Islam mix with other religious. people should adopt christian and Jews activities. and secondly when Israel killing innocent Philistines, malala said that Gaza is a place of Jews and they must capture this place from the Gaza Muslims. its the right of Israelis
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