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Read my lines and answer .i have asked about impulsion and u can`t say in this matter "should".they are impsoed for

1. wife as source of solving business deals
2.prostitution
3. imposed to earn when their father and male members become parasites ,my friend told me abt a girl who workrd in WARID TELE COM just to earn lively hood in order to eun the administration of house coz her father and brothers are parasites
4.drunkard husbands even snatched the " money "
5.brothers after parents death did not care for their sisters ..i worked in NISHAT HIGH SCHOOL jahan pe behnen bht khobsarta honey ke bawjud sar me sufaid baal liye apney bjanjey and bhanjiyo ke shadiya face karty he



my point is why males imposed .agaer women karna chaheye to"so bismillah" but nae to set -up aisa he je kaeh diya jata he "tum kaun and me kaun"and they monopolized women as a business tool. its not about women ke wo justice kar skaty he,its about men ke wo justice ker he nae sakta ja kal ager wife job na karty ho

Dear,i am also of the opinion that no one should force them to do a job.
Your first two points are an exception,it is mere exploitation of women and considered illegal,morally or socially.So,there is no question of indulging in such activities.

The 3rd point is valid.When no one is there to earn she has to do it.Then it becomes her duty as being a daughter and family member to support her family till they get some alternative.
If,God forbid,my parents,brothers,or husband get crippled due to some accident,will it be fair to leave them.When they are all right,they are supporting you,then why cannot you become their backbone.
Apni family ke liye kaam kerna kisi per ahsaan nahi hota.
Sometimes you just don't have an alternative.If male member is not doing his duty,some body has to do it.


your 5th point is exactly the gist of the discussion.We must be ready to adapt change and deal with any situation.
Now if her siblings abandon her after her parents death,she will only have two choices.Either to get married or to do job.These are things we cannot change.
At least,by doing job,she will be able to support herself hence will save herself from indulging in any immoral activities.
That was my stance from the beginning that a girl should get higher education but decision of doing job must be based on needs.

there are lots of men whose wives are not doing jobs and living a peaceful life.It depends upon the mentality of an individual.

And one more thing,you are saying about aged unmarried ladies.
Yes,you are right.It is a fact that lots of women in our society are sitting in their parents houses because they don't have enough money or resources to get married.This reflects situation of our society.
One should not blame a women in this matter.
I personally think it as a matter of "naseeb".Jab aap ki kismat ho aap ki shaadi ho gi.You can't say whether you are gonna marry in your 20s,30s or 40s.
Like you have said,lots of beautiful and even rich ladies remain unmarried,so it is in God's hands that when you are gonna marry,with whom and how?
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I have some question in my mind. Women in West are mostly educated and independent, doing jobs and living their lives.
Did those women get respect and satisfaction?
Islam has put some duties to women and men separately, to earn is the duty of men and, to teach and serve home is duty of women. If a woman trains her children perfectly she had achieved everything if she fails then.................
All Solution lies in Surah Nisa.
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The 3rd point is valid.When no one is there to earn she has to do it.Then it becomes her duty as being a daughter and family member to support her family till they get some alternative.
If,God forbid,my parents,brothers,or husband get crippled due to some accident,will it be fair to leave them.When they are all right,they are supporting you,then why cannot you become their backbone.
Apni family ke liye kaam kerna kisi per ahsaan nahi hota.
Sometimes you just don't have an alternative.If male member is not doing his duty,some body has to do it.

I wonder what you have stated ke apney family ke karna ehsan nae un comdition me jb ap ke male members bilkul theek and kiya phir wo khaney ke liye pyada hve the and unoo ne soch liya ke beety ke earning pe guzara karna he..wah wah kiya philosophy .. mujy salute larna chahey.. i hate all those men who are parasites and compel women to due their job...thek women can help and support but what a nonsense is this !! ..ke je male apney tamam responsibilities ce farig ho jae and ab ye mat keh daina it is exception ..me ne apney ird gird hazaroo logoo ko aisa paya he ... ye hamara social change he //and these bitter remarks are not for you but for those parasites'''



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your 5th point is exactly the gist of the discussion.We must be ready to adapt change and deal with any situation.
Now if her siblings abandon her after her parents death,she will only have two choices.Either to get married or to do job.These are things we cannot change.
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now again u are wrong ..ise waj ce to hamrey society tabaehey ke dahaney pe he..re-read my post ,i have said ager brothers apney buchoo ke shadiyan ker sakty hen to apney behnoo ko kiyun nae ..yes we must be ready xoz we can`t do any thing but do not state challenge is right .some time we have to accept wrong social changes

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And one more thing,you are saying about aged unmarried ladies.
Yes,you are right.It is a fact that lots of women in our society are sitting in their parents houses because they don't have enough money or resources to get married.This reflects situation of our society.
One should not blame a women in this matter.
yes , i am not blaming but blame is on male .. why ?? Allah has bestowed each of gender with certain responsibilities .if one negate these responsibilities then how can you say it is right ..let me tell if new offspring ruined morally ,male starts blaming on women coz it is her responsibility..but if u will say blame game is not right then it meant for chaos of society
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This is a beautiful article:

The woman in your life...very well expressed...
Tomorrow you may get a working woman, but you should marry her with these facts as well.



Here is a girl, who is as much educated as you are;
Who is earning almost as much as you do;

One, who has dreams and aspirations just as
you have because she is as human as you are;

One, who has never entered the kitchen in her life just like you or your
Sister haven't, as she was busy in studies and competing in a system
that gives no special concession to girls for their culinary achievements

One, who has lived and loved her parents & brothers & sisters, almost as
much as you do for 20-25 years of her life;

One, who has bravely agreed to leave behind all that, her home, people who love her, to adopt your home, your family, your ways and even your family ,name

One, who is somehow expected to be a master-chef from day #1, while you sleep oblivious to her predicament in her new circumstances, environment and that kitchen

One, who is expected to make the tea, first thing in the morning and cook food at the end of the day, even if she is as tired as you are, maybe more, and yet never ever expected to complain; to be a servant, a cook, a mother, a wife, even if she doesn't want to; and is learning just like you are as
to what you want from her; and is clumsy and sloppy at times and knows that you won't like it if she is too demanding, or if she learns faster than you;

One, who has her own set of friends, and that includes boys and even men at her workplace too, those, who she knows from school days and yet is willing to put all that on the back-burners to avoid your irrational jealousy, unnecessary competition and your inherent insecurities;

One, who can be late from work once in a while when deadlines, just like yours, are to be met;

One, who is doing her level best and wants to make this most important,
relationship in her entire life a grand success, if you just help her some
and trust her;

One, who just wants one thing from you, as you are the only one she knows in your entire house - your unstinted support, your sensitivities and most importantly - your understanding, or love, if you may call it.

But not many guys understand this.......
Please appreciate "HER"

I hope you will do....

well, if She is exactly the same as you have described, i dnt have any issue then......but if she really is just like that......
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I wonder what you have stated ke apney family ke karna ehsan nae un comdition me jb ap ke male members bilkul theek and kiya phir wo khaney ke liye pyada hve the and unoo ne soch liya ke beety ke earning pe guzara karna he..wah wah kiya philosophy .. mujy salute larna chahey..
yes,this is wrong philosophy.But i just gave an example where males are not able to work due to some misfortune,then it is not wrong to support them.
But again if we think realistically,if a women has a "parasite" husband,she still has to work.If not for her husband,for her children,for herself.Yes,these kinds of men should be given some lessons but for this, whole society has to change its mind-set.It is a man's duty to provide comfort to his family but when he fails to do that,as a last resort,for the sake of survival,a woman has to leave her home because we are not living in an ideal society where people will automatically help you financially or morally.

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i have said ager brothers apney buchoo ke shadiyan ker sakty hen to apney behnoo ko kiyun nae
boht say bhai hain jo kerty bhi hain apni behno ka khayal.but again socity he aysi ho gayi hai.Agar bhai financially strong nahi hai ya phir bhabi ka pressure hai to what can he do?isi liye kaha jata hai ke girls ko education dilwani chahiye beshak job kearin ya na keon ke bura waqt kisi per bhi aa sakta hai.You are very rightly pointing out the evils of our society which should be eradicated.

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yes , i am not blaming but blame is on male .. why ?? Allah has bestowed each of gender with certain responsibilities .if one negate these responsibilities then how can you say it is right ..let me tell if new offspring ruined morally ,male starts blaming on women coz it is her responsibility..but if u will say blame game is not right then it meant for chaos of society
yes,males are also responsible for this.If they want they can changes the situation.
Bachy ki responsibility both parents ki hoti hai lekin mother ki ziyada hoti hai.But her waqt aur child ke har galat kaam ke liye ussy kasoorwar tehrana jaiz nahi hai.Father can be equally responsible.
But this is the point i was insisting upon,ke aurat ki pehli zima dari us ka ghar hai.Beshak aap doosray family members ko rehny dain even husband ko bhi peechy ker dain.Sab say bari responsibility children ki hoti hai.Isi liye agar aap samjhti hain ke aap apny bachon ki behtreen perwarish ker lain gi job ke saath to what is wrong with it.
Some women just do job for thier satisfaction.Aur na hi husband ka koi pressure hota hai na hi woh paisy mangta hai.aur un ke bachy bhi behtreen perwarish paty hain to aysy main koi burai nahi.
aur kuch ladies ghar reh ker bhi yeh aik kaam theek nahi ker saktin..to phir main yeh kahon gi ke exceptions are always there.
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well, if She is exactly the same as you have described, i dnt have any issue then......but if she really is just like that......
wow, Thanx God, atleast somebody has used the term ''no issue'', otherwise it seems to be very controversial sort of topic...and wait for such kind of girl, there must be someone like that
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I have some question in my mind. Women in West are mostly educated and independent, doing jobs and living their lives.
Did those women get respect and satisfaction?
Islam has put some duties to women and men separately, to earn is the duty of men and, to teach and serve home is duty of women. If a woman trains her children perfectly she had achieved everything if she fails then.................
All Solution lies in Surah Nisa.
Both are the extremes, western societies are not our role model at all. The responsibilities and rights that Islam has given to men and women are very logical. Even veil for girls is not a restriction, but a protection. Girls should realize it. Women should not forget these limits of our religion whether they are at home or at work.
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I have some question in my mind. Women in West are mostly educated and independent, doing jobs and living their lives.
Did those women get respect and satisfaction?

Islam has put some duties to women and men separately, to earn is the duty of men and, to teach and serve home is duty of women. If a woman trains her children perfectly she had achieved everything if she fails then.................
All Solution lies in Surah Nisa.
In Muslim society,there is some better scenario for working women!at least we can't compare them with the western women.

True that Islam has put separate duties to both man and woman,but if man can't support in a complete way then woman should help according to her caliber and limits whether she is a daughter,sister or a wife.
Otherwise no need to kill your time by doing job stuff if you don't need it!
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I have some question in my mind. Women in West are mostly educated and independent, doing jobs and living their lives.
Did those women get respect and satisfaction?
Islam has put some duties to women and men separately, to earn is the duty of men and, to teach and serve home is duty of women. If a woman trains her children perfectly she had achieved everything if she fails then.................
All Solution lies in Surah Nisa.
Family-work balance is a complex issue that involves financial values,gender roles,career path,time management & many other factors..perhaps time management is the most important...
In my opinion if the balance between rights & duties is maintained then no side overweighs the other!!
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wow, Thanx God, atleast somebody has used the term ''no issue'', otherwise it seems to be very controversial sort of topic...and wait for such kind of girl, there must be someone like that
well, its hard to find someone like that....one always hopes for an ideal partner but one doesnt necessarily find one.......life is based on compromises n adjustments....n as they say, "share the similarities and respect the differences.......its as simple as this.........anyways, i'm keeping my fingers crossed......:
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