veil is mandatory in islam whether beard is ex gratia and if beard has any impingement on social or religious matters then surely it would be declare as mandatory.

@ mohsanfiaz
Being Muslims words of Quran are sacred for us, and there is no second oponion that we should follow the teachings in letter and spirit.....
Having said that ,you absolutely missed my point, I would suggest you to re-read my post, I asked a simple question....if women provoke rape, then what a 6 years old girl possibly have done to provoke rapist??

We need to condemn such henious acts without efforts to seek justifications, thats my point. I hope I have cleared it

The girl being raped does not fit in this criteria . .I hate such preachers which have dual standards .Injunctions regarding veil revealed to differentiate between Muslim women and others.Whereas beard has the same grounds that is obligatory to differentiate Muslims and other community . This Zia-Ul-Haq `s preaching.He had been died .Not there and Pakistan does not need such extremist and fundamentalist.He was the first who badly defamed name of Islam introducing new terminology of Jihad .Next , step is introducing Hoodoo-ordinance .

I don`t know why an Indian girl is being discussed in the context of Islam .You need to know what Islam says about Non-Muslims.Does Islam says rape of girls ,women is right? Because she is not in veil ,and your eyes,hearts `evil design can not stop yourself .You can do evil and you will not be punished .Because women have seduced you and your heart is pure and holy .It is women /girls/child `dressing seduced you .So Islam do not condemn you .Zia had sown such seeds.We do not need Zia`s ,Musharraf and Ayub any more .Come on ..

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defiantly islam teach us to respect the women of either religion and we do,and i agree with you that we no need a potentate any more..but you point out beard for men as veil for women,so i clear it that you will not find any where orders about beard but in Quran ALLAH subhan o tallah orders women for veil then defiantly veil is more important than beard don't compare them...there are many orders in Quran about men whom they don't obey in true sense..

G bhai you are right.Wo mard hee nahee jis ma haya na ho according to a saying of Hazrat Ali a.s.What i wanted to say was that if a woman is educated then the man she will be bringing up,as a mother, would be much more civilised and controlled than the ones who commited this brutal act of inhumanity.

And with due respect we all are mature enough to deal with the case in hand objectively rather than falling victim of 'Man vs Womanz responsibility' debate.

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I once listened Javed chaudrey who said One who could not do in his life ,become Mullah . Referring it ,he cited a family having three children ;one brother lose his memory .In the end when he was unable to do something practical in life ,then elders suggested he should has to become Molvi. I can understand it and this article definitely reflecting your mind .

During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)

http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles...e_in_islam.asp

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/67...lami-and-rape/


Dear ,Islam is not Just Quran .Islam is code and conduct of life .If we should only have to follow Islam ,then why Holy prophet (P.BU.H) acted and performed all injunctions .In fact he is Live documentary of Quran ;which envisaged beard mandatory.

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yes we condemned these savage acts, but i quote you Quran sayings for you that statement: if a woman is wearing revealing clothes, it does not give a certificate to men to
humiliate her,??
Quran's orders is just to safe the chastity of women and if women will not obey these orders then she put herself in risk of humilation.

What we need to understand is that rape is an act of voilence rather than principally a sexual encounter, this is fascination with the idea if overpowering a woman
It is weapon to degrade the victim, and seeking pleasure in victims suffering and torment, thats what a called "SICK MENTALITY" in my earlier post

So this should not be confused with anything else....

I still can't understand why you quote that ayat there, (GOD forbid)it does not say if a woman does not follow these teachings, men got the right to humiliate her...

"...Rape is a form of violence incorporating societal perceptions of masculinity and femininity — ideal man as being superior, all-powerful, and sexually active, and ideal woman being docile, weak and sexually attractive. The changing dynamics of class, caste, gender and age play their part in this larger cultural milieu...When men across the spectrum allege that women bring it on themselves, they are only asserting the public-private definitions imposed on women by orthodoxy, says Prof. Hegde. These definitions stipulate how women are to be perceived in public and private spheres through their behavior, but are never invoked in case of men. For instance, a woman smoking and drinking in public is perceived as “open” for sexual overtures. Milder forms of rape, such as groping, slapping, and grabbing are examples of sexual harassment stemming from such perceptions..." Informative, Worth Reading!

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle4268631.ece

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dear you are quoting the sayings of javed choudhry, amazing it will be better to get some information about him from seniors specially relevant to his field.
and second is that i am not in favor of mulaism and also i am not a mula.
and 3rd i gave one reason for rapes that is veil and you add it that it is due to non punishment to these wrong doer i agree with you there will b many more reasons for that.hope you get it

i just quote that ayat for the orders of veil but it can't permit any men to humiliate chastity of woman...