Is CSS really worth putting in all the labours of mind and heart? - Page 5

Theodosius · #41 Friday, October 06, 2017

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Originally Posted by umark

I think its how one looks at things. Everything is uncertain in life. Life itself is uncertain. I am alive today making furture plans and what not but I could die tomorrow. That is the epitome of uncertainty in my humble opinion. That shouldn't stop someone from working towards his/her aspirations.

Each to their own.

agreed ,but we should take better decisions; there is a term Cost-Benefit analysis of every project. Cost is much more higher for 97% of the candidates with no return keeping aside the mental trauma

ADIL KHESHGI · #42 Friday, October 06, 2017

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Originally Posted by Muhammad Daniyal Khalek

But still I am not satisfied!.

Why??

I believe that as compared to civil services, academia does not provide me with enough opportunities to change social issues that have made me suffer throughout my life from the deteriorating health sector to government's apathetic attitude towards education and other important things.

I believe that while being an academic the only people i can influence is my class of 20-30, if i joined civil services my right decisions made in public interest would provide instant relief to people and my innetiatives can surely bring a change in the lives of people.

I have a dream to wake up to a new challenge everyday a daily fight against some land mafia, a daily struggle against narco traffickers, daily resistance towards everything that in some way affects people's lives.

I would not get these three months off, neither would i get free weekends, i may even be deprived of my family time too but then I am ready for sacrificing all this just for the sake of bringing a small change in my little capacity.

And i know the way is going to be hard, not everybody has the ability to ace through life threats and continuous pressures but when I retire I would surely have a bundle of stories to tell my grand kids about the complete life that i led, the role i played in betterment of my country and so on.

CSS is not about vehicles perks privileges and things of this sort, it is about playing your role as a member of society, academia isnot providing me with this opportunity so I am switching my career.

Side note:

For people who are going for PHDs must think again. Pakistani Higher education is rotten to the core, the system in all universities is stagnant, there is no academic freedom, every year the quality of students is depreciating . The life is monotonous and there is a growing feeling of being wasted .

I had my life at academia and no matter you call CSS a waste of time and the job good for nothing I would still switch to it for playing the role I know I have the ability to play.

Love and respects,

Is this not pessimism? If a teacher is feeling like vanquished/disappointed then who should we blame for the deteriorating state of our young generation? You're a role model and if you start posting these sorts of comments, you can't blame me for pessimism! Always remember! "A teacher effects eternity, at no point s/he can say where does her/his influence stops". Be optimistic!

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Originally Posted by Nazish Hina

@ADIL KHESHGI
I need your opinion on something. Should I mail you?

Yeah, sure.

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Originally Posted by Muhammad Daniyal Khalek

sir you are very judgmental and very negative, instead of logical argumentation you are judging me about the personality type that i have or the traumas that i suffer from. Kindly just do not make personal attacks.

You have not served in any HEI so you know nothing about it and neither do you know about bureaucracy. You have never known me, nor you know how efficient am I in my duty, how on earth can you call me a failing teacher. There are hundreds of officers who struggle daily for providing relief to ordinary citizens, you are free to call our good intentions a mere fantasy,well to tell you the truth every great thing that this world ever saw was once a dream that then transformed into reality.

Kindly just don't spread pessimism among new aspirants who genuinely want to work for this country, the best service you can do currently is to appreciate the good intentions we the young aspirants are having and it would be even more appreciable if you instead of showing us the darker side, guide us in our pursuits.

We people come to this forum for discussing new ideas and to learn things, it is people like you who's bullying attitude stops us from commenting on the forum, if you do not like any idea just ignore it. Please do not judge. Please do not make personal attacks.

Well, my dear brother, I am so sorry if you got offended by my comments! But I was referring to the general state of things. The quality of being judgmental has been bestowed upon me by my society and my teachers' influence, those teachers were just like you (no offense intended). Though I don't have a university job experience but I have a 12 years association with one of my province's top universities and have been observing things there since 2005. I'm not bullying you, who am I? zilch! The conclusions, you're referring to, is the very data you've provided me, but in its processed form. About the fantasies part, I have been working for the provincial government since three and a half years and it's my 4th job, I've worked for the federal government too, whatever I'm sharing here is from my personal experience. Though I'm not a bureaucrat but I've been observing it from a vantage point since long. If at any point you need my helping hand, do let me know, I'm here to help you out.And generate some optimism inside your soul and you'll be happy.
Good luck!

threesixty · #43 Friday, October 06, 2017

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

I am still in BS-17 and I don't claim 8 years of service on my credit, but Alhamdulillah I have 17 kanal fully furnished house, 4 vehicles with POL including Prado TX, Vigo and Land Cruiser! I don't mention other things but I just mentioned the things that the person in question mentioned. I don't know where he works but myself and my batch mates are extremely satisfied with everything we have.

I'm a PAS officer dear, and if I am given a chance 1000 times I would always choose PAS. Sitting outside you cannot judge the perks etc of any service.

Furthermore, choosing the civil service as a career is entirely your own choice, no one is compelling you to join it. Who cannot join it must not discourage others.

Sir what about starting salary? And will these vehicles remain with u or will these be changed after every transfer to a new station?

Ekprime · #44 Friday, October 06, 2017

It's the uncertainty, the challenge and the willingness to put it all on the line that draws a lot of people to climb mountains. That can also apply to a lot of other challenges in life, whether it's running for office, starting a family, going to grad school or taking all of your cash and assets and starting a business.
"Mark Udall"

Ekprime · #45 Friday, October 06, 2017

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Originally Posted by fawadhash

I chose foreign service as my first preference as opposed to the most coveted group i.e PAS just because of this reason.

A.o.A!!!! Bro congrats for your written and wish u good luck for upcoming stages of this prestige service

Ekprime · #46 Friday, October 06, 2017

Bro!!!! As i haven't join any acadmy i am just relying over my 16 years of education and i believe i can get through ths exam inshallah and I will!!!! but even then i need someones guidance to help me through this caz it needs smart study which can only be well known to qualifier like u so can you help me regarding preparation of I.R and psycology if u have time i would b pleased to have u my mentor

Raja Gujral · #47 Saturday, October 07, 2017

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Originally Posted by Bilal Hassan

I am still in BS-17 and I don't claim 8 years of service on my credit, but Alhamdulillah I have 17 kanal fully furnished house, 4 vehicles with POL including Prado TX, Vigo and Land Cruiser! I don't mention other things but I just mentioned the things that the person in question mentioned. I don't know where he works but myself and my batch mates are extremely satisfied with everything we have.

I'm a PAS officer dear, and if I am given a chance 1000 times I would always choose PAS. Sitting outside you cannot judge the perks etc of any service.

Furthermore, choosing the civil service as a career is entirely your own choice, no one is compelling you to join it. Who cannot join it must not discourage others.

This is the biggest problem in our society. We always look for a king's life but on public expense. If such a big house and pool of vehicles is desire of 17 scale officer then one could well imagine about the top ranks in all types of bureaucracy.

We forget that all the big houses were alloted by Britains to keep hold on any area or people by showing immense power of their army and administration i.e civil service. After 70 years we are still impressed by the things against which an independent nation must have protested strongly.
In UK even a British PM can't think of living in such a big house. But we are still unable to control the Civil service and talk about the PM house and Governor houses for political scoring.

Moreover, Mr. Bilal is serving in such area where one needs ample resources for his mobility. It is not the case that every AC gets 4 vehicles at any station. I wonder person like Bilal has been influenced by the materialism to such greater extent.

In short, I would say that we are still having the mentality of slaves because there is no justice and parity. Therefore everyone wants to be powerful either through government service or by affiliating himself to any political , religious group or any criminal gang.

Subhan Ahmad · #48 Saturday, October 07, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrWlzQ0KEaY

I really got disheartened by how the ADC was treated and humiliated in public.

Related to the topic, I would like to disagree with the people who say that civil servants should be selfless and should not complain about what they are getting in return. I would like to ask that aren't the military supposed to be selfless? Yes, many of them are but they all get well compensated for their services. Furthermore, aren't the politician, the leaders of our country, supposed to be selfless? Let's suppose that some one is, but again, we know they also get HANDSOMELY compensated. If we follow your narrative, our PM should live like the late Mr. Edhi. We all know that is not the reality.

I also disagree with those who think that the private sector does not serve the society. If that was not the case, why this country is so hungry for FDIs and exports? A respectable person above mentioned macroeconomic theory to show that how businesses are driven by profit. He failed to acknowledge the importance that these theories give to free markets.

A society does not prosper with the efforts of only one professional group; it is a collective effort from citizens of every profession. And until we do not associate each profession with a proper compensation in which a person his family can live a dignified life, we won't be able to create an equitable society. Thank you.

Samreiyn · #49 Saturday, October 07, 2017

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Originally Posted by Theodosius

agreed ,but we should take better decisions; there is a term Cost-Benefit analysis of every project. Cost is much more higher for 97% of the candidates with no return keeping aside the mental trauma

Let me disagree with you here. Assessing CSS through the lens of cost-benefit analysis, I'll assert that the benefit is quite higher than the cost, even if you fail the exam. Once you prepare for CSS and sit through the exam, you come out a different person. One, the amount of knowledge gained is priceless; two, the clarity of ideas and thought process after the attempt - unmatched; and three, the possibility of giving back to the country is a different feeling all together. In my humble opinion, even a failed CSS attempt is a major learning process that can eventually facilitate future endeavours.

siddiquiali · #50 Saturday, October 07, 2017

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Originally Posted by Subhan Ahmad

Related to the topic, I would like to disagree with the people who say that civil servants should be selfless and should not complain about what they are getting in return. I would like to ask that aren't the military supposed to be selfless? Yes, many of them are but they all get well compensated for their services. Furthermore, aren't the politician, the leaders of our country, supposed to be selfless? Let's suppose that some one is, but again, we know they also get HANDSOMELY compensated. If we follow your narrative, our PM should live like the late Mr. Edhi. We all know that is not the reality.

This another form of flawed mentality. So if others are not selfless then you shouldn't be selfless as well. Does that justify it? If people are corrupt then you will be corrupt as well? It is because of such mentality that our country is in this situation.

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