With due and respect , the havoc wreaked by the fundamentals defies comparison. The legisislation introduced on the name of islam is not only Unislamic but discriminatory and in humane as well. In fact , in a bid to project islamic leanings , Pakistani leaders manifest their affiliation to Islam. For example Bhutto was a liberal but in order to win over the public , he taken steps to indicate his affiliation to Islam.

Do we need any constitutional and legal cover to profess Islam. If i am good Muslim at heart, believe you me, no one can stop me from being so?

Naming the State Islamic Republic of Pakistan , is not more than an Hypocracy. Is the state politically, economically and socially based on Islam.Our Economy is Interest based, Our Criminal Justice System is western, our laws owes their origon to west then what is kept in naming the country as Islamic Republic? Is it not hypocracy with Islam?

Was before promulgation of 1956 Constitution , our society unislamic? Does turing the status of state from Islamic to Secular will have any impact on our religious affiliation? I think if rationalism prevail over emotionalism , there is no harm in secularism.It is not negation of religion , rather its state's neutrality towards religion and treating all the sects and religions alike.

@saleeqa batool

sis,an analysis of your thoughts;

1]naming the state islamic republics of pk is a hypocracy:

-----------agreed.but by naming the state a secular state will not reduce crimes ,corruption,fedualism,napotism etc.
only and only the true enforcement of fear of law and ALLAH can do this.

2]economy is interest based,cri. justice system is western,....

-----------it is owing to the reason that we instead of adopting the true liberal perceptions of islam, actually followed the hollow and false western system...which brought the carnage to our civilization.

so,the need to enforce the true islam is more then ever.

3]if rationalism prevails over secularism...then no harm in it:

-----------perhaps you don,t understand the meaning of secularism.again i m pasting the link.please read it ,then comment!

Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Quaid e Azam also said "we are muslims and we want a independent state because of we want to live according to the rules of islam, ,we should respect the members of the other communities"

Quaid e Azam ne yeh nahi kaha tha k "people should b liberal minded".
but islam k circle of reh kar hi ham azadi se reh sakty hain agar islam k circle se bahir chaly jaein gay to hamara hi nuqsan ho ga.

Quaid e Azam ne is liyay to pakistan nahi bnaya tha k is Pak Zameen par khon kharaby hon, corruption ho wohi Hindu and Christian system ho , Balky pakistan kay bnany ka to main matlab tha "LA ILA HA ILLALLAH".

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As for as Quid-e-Azam vision for future of the state is concerned , he never wanted to establish the state on religious grounds. His policy statment on 11th August 1947 while addressing the first session of constitutional assembly speaks volumes of his vision towards future outlook of Pakistans constitutional and legislative framework.He appointed Mr Mandal as First Law Minister of Pakistan, so one can assume that what role a Hindu can play in islamization of legislation.

Instilling fear of law and Allah Almighty has nothing to do with naming the state. If it had been so , our societies prior to promulgation of First Constitution of 1956 (that remain in to force for two years only) , would had little affiliation with Islam.

Islamiztion in Pakistan has always been used by rulers to maneuver and strengthen their grip on power. When ZAB felt his ship of power sinking, he declared the Canadianism as non Muslim so as to appease the Public and this legislation has done no good to Pakistan other than fanning hatered for a community with in our society.

Once Dr Abd-ul-Slam(Nobel Laureate) visited his native district Jhang to grant funds to the college where he studied from. On his visit Locall Mullahs and students belong to "religious outfits" staged demonstration against him by chanting humiliating slogans and demanding him to go back for no other Sin but his religious affiliation.But same time , i have read his name among the name of Pakistani Muslim Scientist in our Text Books.

After ZAB, Zia sought legitimacy to remain in power on the name of Islam. The laws he introduced are discriminatory and inhuamne. His was the period that germinated intolerance and extremism in Pakistan.Soon after his deaprture , Pakistan underwent a spate of sectarian violence that claimed hundred of innocent lives.

Yes it is also true that renaming the state as Republic of Pakistan wont address the woes , but it will end a hypocritical approach and make the leaders portary as they are instead of pretending to have Islamic leanings to win the public support.

Besides we are part of international community. Rhetoric Apart, We cant alienate ourselves and live in isolation.Currently only three states in the across the Globe are constitutionally Islamic that Pakistan, Iran and Mauritania.The international community view this as discrimination towards other religion. And frankly speaking , where all these countries stand in terms of human rights , transparency and social justice is well known.

Undoubtedly Islamic System is perfect, flawless and superior to all human made systems but who will implement. How many of Us Implement Islam in our Personal Lives? No system can ensure prosperity but people do? Dose any of CSP who heads a Sub-Division or District can function under Islamic Principals? Believe me we dont need any legislation to profess our religion.An ASP/SDPO who command police deptt in a subdivion can observe Islamic Injunctions by lending a sympathetic ear to people's woes. Does s(he) need any legislation for doing so?

Islam is ideal but in prevailing circumstances can one even imagine implementation of Islam ?When answer is obvious no then we have to think pragmatically and in straight forward manner.

Mere Branding the state as Islamic never guarantee a true Islamic spirit. If history is guide , only Khilafat-e-Rashda complied to the injuctions of Islam.Even during Caliphate of Hazrat Ali(A.S) were bloody wars amongst Muslims (Jang-e Jamal and Jang-e-Safeen) that claimed thousnads of innocent lives? Whose fault was this?Of Islam or of People? Soon after , in 61 Hijrah, Hazrat Imam Hussain and his family was martyred by a sitting caliph who wielded allegiance from many Sahabas(companions of Prophit). Afterwards , the Islamic Caliphs belonging to Banu Ummiya and banu abbass were not differnt in any way from other monarchs of medieval age.

I do understand and apprehend "Secularism" in its essence. Its not more than anything els but state's neutrality and nondiscrimination on religious grounds.We were a secular state from 1947-1956 then 1958-1973, so were our elders not staunch Muslims that time? Please think over it.

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i totally disagree with ur notion and ideology..
y u people not think that Pakistan is totally an ideological state...
and this speech of mr.jinah is totally misinterpreted ..in lot of speeches he had expressed that we wanted Pakistan a labortery of Islam...

correct it

He never used th word secularism in his any speech..this is the main ideological difference between congress and ML..

You correct it. Jinnah was loud and clear about his vision that Pakistan shall not be a theocratic state.

Jinnah's interview to Mr. Doon Campbell, Reuter's Correspondent in New Dehli in 1946:
"The new state would be a modern democratic state with sovereignty resting in the people and the members of the new nation having equal rights of citizenship regardless of their religion, caste or creed"

At a public meeting in Dacca held on 21st March 1948, Jinnah said:
"Make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it. Islam demands from us the tolerance of other creeds and we welcome in closest association with us all those who of whatever creed are themselves willing and ready to play their part as true and loyal citizen of Pakistan."

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decide what to follow? the Islamic system or the Jinnah's words?

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At the root of this question, I sense, at last, settling down of dust of confusion about Jinnah's perception of Pakistan's state model. Jinnah was never a theocrat. Today, Pakistan has become a laboratory of Islam where every sect is up to discovering its own version of law of conservation of Islam, where Taliban elements are reacting with explosive violence, where Shais are being annihilated by Sunni and vice versa, and where Muslim rats are being dissected everyday while Christian and Ahmadi compounds are being subject to combustion. And this laboratory was not at all established by Jinnah, but by Professor Doctor Mard e Momin Zia ul Haq. (Watch his words) ‪General Zia ul Haq promising elections in 90 days‬‏ - YouTube

And Jinnah said "we follow the teachings of Muhammad (PBUH) in which all are equal in rights dignity and self respect." Now you tell what to follow? the so called Islamic system of Zia or the Jinnah's words.

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Well... Jinnah's version was balanced. Islam and civil law can be applied simultaneously. The problem is that we have many ideologies and there are different opinions about them. Havnt decided which to implement. So, currently we are having a hotch potch system. Right?

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Religion always should be a matter between man and his god....god creates love while religion divides....when religion is kept between man and his god it creates harmony but when anyone wants to apply his religious rules on any societ at large it creates havoc....history prooves...

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