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dear i think my above post included all your answer which you asked from me. and one thing. today we have proud on our defense. from where you got military assets? and do you have any idea about the food crisis occurred in 1954? and it is not problem of us that our leaders are corrupts? it is our problem. dictatorship and sudden changes in govt are causes for this current condition. and last thing your feelings are appreciable, same here, but in this position it is a great decision.

No brother, your above post did not answer my single question.
Please explain to me. I am too illiterate to understand such highly technical things illustrated in your above post. Perhaps you can explain all those things and try to connect them to my questions and try to answer me in simple words so that I can understand the logic behind what you wrote in your above post consisting of a lot of data. This will not only help me, but other CSS aspirants as well and they can certainly take a stance in their papers after getting something out of this Discussion thread.
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dear i think my above post included all your answer which you asked from me. and one thing. today we have proud on our defense. from where you got military assets? and do you have any idea about the food crisis occurred in 1954? and it is not problem of us that our leaders are corrupts? it is our problem. dictatorship and sudden changes in govt are causes for this current condition. and last thing your feelings are appreciable, same here, but in this position it is a great decision.
Military Assets - Are you referring to those out-dated F-16 fighter planes? C'mon! Pakistan has got the expertise to design fighter planes, sub marines etc itself. Or are you talking about the weapons used in war against terror? It costs more to bring the weapons for inspection by USA/ NATO or whatever than the cost of these weapons. Of what benefit is this to us?
Dictatorship and sudden changes in government - We always find it easy to put blame on others rather than rectifying our own actions.
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sir thing is not that i am an extra ordinary. i just posted you some info. but i think you are getting it personally thats why you posted like that.
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sir thing is not that i am an extra ordinary. i just posted you some info. but i think you are getting it personally thats why you posted like that.
Not at all. Not at all.
I don't understand what that info is all about? How these figures and numbers answer my simple questions. How to relate these with my questions. You posted these figures and facts and numbers, so you must have a clue what these are? This is called Discussion. I don't know something, I ask the relevant person and finally we come to a conclusion. It is called two way discussion and not taking something personally.

Now please answer my above questions in the light of the data you provided above. You see I'm requesting you
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It is not us, the nation who is alive by the funds of NATO or USA.
It is the politicians who get these funds and they put them in their pockets or foreign bank accounts.
As a nation ham bekar log hee to hain, konse organized aur progressive log hain (sorry if it sounds offensive, but it should be admitted ). Economy ko behtar banane main society kaa hee asal kirdar hota hai, agar state hamare taxes aur hamari healthy economic activities pe rely kar rahi ho to chalo ham apni demands maanne pe us ko majboor kar bhi saken, laikin hamari society kee halat yeh hai ke aaj tak rozana pata nahin kitne log khali plot, zamini takrar aur khandani masail, yahan tak ke zamin pe aane waale pani kee timing ke taqrar tak pe maare jaate hain, pata nahin kitne tabqon, grohon, tribes, political groupings main ham log divided hain aur qatai aik dusre se coordinate karna gawara nahin har waqt aik dusre pe bartari haasil karni hoti hai, agar koi activity organized hai bhi to woh organized-crime hai ; state apna kharcha beruni imdad aur expats kee raqam se chala rahi hai to zahir hai woh un ke saamne jhuke gee. aur nation khud to kuch karti nahin ooper se aankhen dikhane shru ho jaati hai . yeh politicians waghera waghera koi angrez yaa arab to nahin, yeh ham main se hee hain, hamara hee aaeena hain .
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As a nation ham bekar log hee to hain, konse organized aur progressive log hain (sorry if it sounds offensive, but it should be admitted ). Economy ko behtar banane main society kaa hee asal kirdar hota hai, agar state hamare taxes aur hamari healthy economic activities pe rely kar rahi ho to chalo ham apni demands maanne pe us ko majboor kar bhi saken, laikin hamari society kee halat yeh hai ke aaj tak rozana pata nahin kitne log khali plot, zamini takrar aur khandani masail, yahan tak ke zamin pe aane waale pani kee timing ke taqrar tak pe maare jaate hain, pata nahin kitne tabqon, grohon, tribes, political groupings main ham log divided hain aur qatai aik dusre se coordinate karna gawara nahin har waqt aik dusre pe bartari haasil karni hoti hai, agar koi activity organized hai bhi to woh organized-crime hai ; state apna kharcha beruni imdad aur expats kee raqam se chala rahi hai to zahir hai woh un ke saamne jhuke gee. aur nation khud to kuch karti nahin ooper se aankhen dikhane shru ho jaati hai . yeh politicians waghera waghera koi angrez yaa arab to nahin, yeh ham main se hee hain, hamara hee aaeena hain .
I totally agree to this statement. Our society is going backwards these days. Every civilization had this dip in their history when they were as bad as our society today is. Then a leader emerged and guided them out. So I feel this is going to be like this until and unless some torch bearer emerges.

Coming back to the issue we are discussing in this thread. We are having two dimensions. One favoring this decision of NATO supply chain been restored, others are against this decision. If it is opened, I being a Pakistani has nothing to gain, if it is closed, I have nothing to benefit from. If it is opened and NATO paying some money, I don't see that money leach down to us. It is distributed in higher ranks and its gone. Those who are in favor of it being restored and are presenting arguments that this is beneficial for our country's economy, I request them to please logically describe it how it is impacting our economy positively when it never leaches down the common man?
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Coming back to the issue we are discussing in this thread. We are having two dimensions. One favoring this decision of NATO supply chain been restored, others are against this decision. If it is opened, I being a Pakistani has nothing to gain, if it is closed, I have nothing to benefit from. If it is opened and NATO paying some money, I don't see that money leach down to us. It is distributed in higher ranks and its gone. Those who are in favor of it being restored and are presenting arguments that this is beneficial for our country's economy, I request them to please logically describe it how it is impacting our economy positively when it never leaches down the common man?
As I said, state (yaa state ke elites) paise apne kaam main laayen ge bus aur kia, agar state kee activities se kuch economic opportunities generate hoti hain to kuch logun ko faida ho sakta hai. baqi country kee economic activities main aik temporary izafa to direct supply se hee ho jaaye gaa truck drivers ke liye, aur kuch loote huey maal se temporary business nikal paren ge . Fair distribution to hone waali hai nahin. yeh baat to sochna hee fazool hai ke bahar se milne waala paisa kisi tor pe logun main distribute hoga, modern economic system purane dor kee tarah thori hai ke badshah har hafte apne darbar main khairat kare gaa .

waise agar najaiz zaraye se haasil hone waali aamdani ko Pakistan main legal kar dia jaaye to ho sakta hai yeh elites is paise ko yaheen pe invest karen aur us se economy ke behtar ho aur logun ko faaida puhunche, that way it can leach down to common man .
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would you please dig out some data regarding Pakistan's collateral damage and the money that we have spent on America's War on Terror? In my opinion, we have spent more and we have paid more in terms of life, money and collateral damage
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• US military assistance dropped dramatically during and immediately after the Indo-Pakistani wars of 1965 and 1971
What kind of assistance was that which dropped down when it was most needed, and isn't it an example that we survived without their assistance in the most difficult time
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