#41
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
but if you want it that way so be it i have realized that there is scarcity, now answer the other questions please |
#42
|
||||
|
||||
Incentives? Yes it's profit. That's called interest. Rental on the capital. Take that away and there's no incentive.
__________________
He that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow (Ecclesiastes 1:18) |
#43
|
|||||||
|
|||||||
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Bhuddha has made a wise decision not to argue anymore because the kind of examples and arguments (?) you are putting forward is really hard to contend with for too long. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Gypsified For This Useful Post: | ||
Buddha (Monday, July 21, 2014) |
#44
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
regards |
#45
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
To sum it all up, let me ask you a straightforward question: Is there a political system that Islam prescribes? |
#46
|
|||
|
|||
I don't know why?
I don't know why people bring ifs and buts with Islam. If you want to implement Islam then implement it. If it does not work, then riase your criticisms. We have faith in Allah and are certain that Islam is the best solution for humanity. Communism has failed, capitalism is failing. Learn how the structural unemployment has increased after the financial crisis. Learn the increasing wealth gap between the rich and the poor.
Now study the era where Islam is truly implemented. The Khilfat e Rashida. You will come to know that only with proper practice of zakat, there was no one in need of money after three years during Hazrat Umar's (R.A) caliphate. There was a perfect balance. The thing is that islamic economics does not offer big luxuries. You will not become filthy rich in Islamic system. On the other hand a lot of current rich people will have to give up certain portion of their wealth under islamic system to bring equality. The rich know that. Money or wealth is power, giving it up means giving a portion of your power away. Islamic economics provides two fundamental tools i.e zakat and interest free transactions. When implemented properly brings wonders as we know from the past and that is what Allah has promised. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Subhan Ahmad For This Useful Post: | ||
waqas izhar (Sunday, July 20, 2014) |
#47
|
|||
|
|||
Is there a political system that Islam prescribes?
Yup political system can exist in Islam but there is one difference. The sovereignty belongs to Allah. Means the rules and laws given by Allah and Prophet Muhammad S.A.W will act as boundaries. Consider it like a circle. No human being is allowed to touch that circle. You can not make interest halal when Allah has made it haram. But under that boundaries, one can make laws and rules that do not conflict. Means man can not act as God and think that he is sovereign and make his own laws while rejecting islamic laws. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Subhan Ahmad For This Useful Post: | ||
waqas izhar (Sunday, July 20, 2014) |
#48
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
And of course, Islam prescribes certain limits and guidelines and within those limits, we can implement any political system that best suits the needs of our times. |
#49
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
when you began this thread i said that the problems is with the economics. why? i think a sound political/economics/social system is the one in which you are able to alleviate poverty and give opportunity to its citizens to explore their potential. what do you say? democracy is the most widely accepted system of government and frankly there is no other choice. democracy, not as in the books of political science but in reality is controlled by capitalists. right? is democracy helping in achieving the objective i mentioned above? you see whether it is democracy or monarchy you need economics to achieve that objective. and politics have always stood in its way. e.g. corn laws in UK. that means we need to make changes. luckily for us we do have a book which claims to be the book of the God who calls himself Allah. our problem is that we want to gauge this book with logic, right? so let's do that. that is what i tried to do. this book says no riba i.e interest. i just tried to analyze an economy with zero interest rate. you see in essence zero interest rate means: no banks. in my analysis i say that if we need to have a permanent solution we need to give it time i.e. at least a fifty years. but you guys probably want results tomorrow and that is impossible even with western economics. in the end i accepted Buddha's assumptions and asked him questions in the language of western economics. he has yet to answer them. he speaks of scarcity but i say there is none. i say if given enough time human beings would be able to harness the energy of the stars and move to other galaxies. Buddha finds my mining the moon ridiculous. but i am willing to accept scarcity. but coming back to politics. you see what Islam says is that zakat is the law. if you don't pay zakat you are breaking the law. to implement zakat you do not need a particular political system, you just need the law. but probably i am giving you headaches by now. so i will say here that the difference between you guys and me is that you are trying to interpret the Quran in light of modern times and i am trying to interpret the times with the Quran. cool off for a few days i will pop up that question soon. regards |
#50
|
||||
|
||||
There's another difference. That is, you are constantly ignoring a simple question that I asked and the issue at hand. So instead of irrelevant debates (the arguments of which are faulty to the core form your side), I'll only repeat it: does Islam prescribe a political system? Does Islam prescribe a way to elect the legislature and executive? Or does Islam only give general ethical guidelines about it?
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Gypsified For This Useful Post: | ||
informer59 (Sunday, July 20, 2014) |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Islamic Information | safdarmehmood | Islamiat | 4 | Thursday, June 28, 2018 08:09 AM |
The constitution of the islamic republic of pakistan, 1973[1] | IMTIAZ AHMAD KHAN | Constitutional Law | 0 | Thursday, February 14, 2013 05:40 PM |
What is Islamic Democracy? | aliusama | Islam | 4 | Friday, August 20, 2010 08:16 PM |
Islamic Concept of Govt? | Maha Khan | Discussion | 9 | Friday, April 30, 2010 02:25 PM |