i don't think age relaxation was necessary earlier..because only a 2 year bachelor degree would suffice ...so technically after 20 years of education one could sit in the exam...now if fpsc makes 16 years of education compulsory..then some people who had a 2 years bachelors degree would be at a loss..so for that reason ...if 16 years of education is made compulsory then for first five or ten years age relaxation can be given..otherwise 28 is more than enough for a person to appear and clear the exam

yes,then i think graduation criteria should also be removed....coz i have personally seen many"aflatoons"who just cannot compete in the examination coz they don't have degrees...fpsc should require "educated ppl" not only "degree holders"...that would make the exams truly competitive...isn't it?

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Age relaxation got nothing to do with population. If India has massive population then that means they have more area, more districts, more vacant posts, and enough candidates having ages below 28 years to take their Civil Services Exam and fill those posts. Then why did they relax age as far as 35 years?
A logical question!

How can one be educated without having acquired any knowledge, and how can a person acquire the required knowledge and not given his degree? That's simply nonsensical.
Comon put forward some worthy argument. All your arguments are logically flawed, you know fallacious arguments. Who do you call aflatoonz? You should know that Aflatoon was the most brilliant disciple of Socrates. No other could replace him in history.

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if we have 300/350 posts for 17 caror ppl...and we are demanding more chances and more age...then India,which would have been offering something around 1200 posts,if we assume....are they enough according to their population?

if fpsc want to relax age criteria then they should add 100 or so posts as well.

i think you have not read my post carefully....one can hve degree without knolwdge....but knowledge with degrees,i am not sure about that...

do u know who Shakespeare was?he had any degree?and the Mr. Plato and Socrates they were the most knowledgeable ppl of their time..but ironically they were not graduates....knowledge does not come with degrees but sometimes degrees do come without knowledge...don't u see our parliamentarians...

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What do you mean by enough posts for the population? Posts should never be enough, not everybody should get a post in the Civil Services and that's what make it a competitive exam; unlimited number of people got to compete for the limited number of posts-- that's the spirit of a competitive exam.
And by the way why are you refering to India? India isn't a model country, not a model nation, its a 3rd world country just like pakistan. We shouldn't model our institutions on those lines as india's.
I think you don't want age relaxation because you think that raising age limit will enhance the competition and that will become harder for you to get a post out of the limited number of posts. Right? If that's so then that simply means that you are not competing, you are cheating.

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sorry,i was wrong about vacant posts in India offered via IAS....see this and then decide who should be given more age relaxation...i think we are blessed to have so many seats with so less population.

http://visionias.files.wordpress.com...allocation.pdf


i am not in favour of unlimited number of seats...i just suggested that if more ppl are to compete then why cannot they raise the stakes as well...

i am referring to India coz the writer of the article pasted by call for change compared Pakistan with India and Bangladesh...i don't want to differ from the main source,,,,,

i don't want to get personal...but i am not afraid of anyone...as i told you earlier knowledge is not dependent upon degrees and age...i am never afraid of competition...i can fight till my last breath

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Socrates and plato didn't had degrees? What is your concept of a degree? Plato was the one who founded what is said to be the "first university" near Athens in 385 BC. He founded that university and called it his Academy, and devised the concept of teaching his pupils and confering degrees upon them after testing them in logic and reason. Degrees didn't exist before Socrates and Plato. So who was supposed to give them degrees? Angels?
You said they didn't do Graduation. Again that makes no sense because they were considered Doctors, philosophers, pedagogues, thinkers, mathematicians, astrologers and all that one can imagine. According to your present degree system, they are Post-doctorate degrees holders, Nobel-prize winners, and you are comparing them to our street urchins, and parliamentarians?
To simply put it, they had no degrees because degrees didn't exist in their times, and they are the founders of degrees.
About Shakespeare! Yes degrees existed in his times but he didn't do graduation or masters, and for that reason he wasn't allowed to take any competitive exam. He was a writer and not an official of the British Empire, as you can see.
Again your questions were logically flawed. Bring forth something worthy of discussion.



They are raising the stakes as well. Till 2008 we had 195 vacant posts to be filled while now we have 300 to 400, and 600 expected for 2012.
About being personal! You have been personal with Shamoon Qureshi, the architect of that long brilliantly written article mentioned above, and with all those who want age to be exteneded so that they can take this exam.
you don't want them to take exam so you can get a post easily. Right?
And you cannot fight, you are afraid of the competition like anything, or why would you bring forth allegations against age relaxation prospect? You are so afraid.
Just kidding!

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u are also coming to my point.....u just said in the above posts that knowledge cannot come without degrees and now here u r proving my point that knowledge is not a slave of degree....what if Shakespeare wanted to give competitive examination then he would have surly been rejected on having no graduation degree...there are always some limits...this is the beauty of competitive exams....if there is not an age limit of 28 years..or all the disable ppl are allowed to give exams(sorry for harsh words)what ever their caliber maybe or u will be given your whole life to compete...then what would be the beauty of the competitive exam.........i hope u get my point.....

if u cannot do it in 28/30 yrs then better find something else to do....and let the new blood take charge....

you can't provoke me...

don't u think u r also being personal with those who do not want this?

i am not afraid of anybody that's why i am here defending my point of view...i can take stand for what i believe....what about you?you haven't given a single argument that why their should be age relaxation?

how come it will prove beneficial for the country in the long run?

u r just countering mine...

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Wake up its not Shakespeares' time, it is 21st century, but you are still bent upon keeping pakistan in the same dark ages shakespeare was brought up. And about fresh blood! Pakistan doesn't need incompetent, useless, coward, trembling, afraid blood to keep running down its veins (I'm not sorry for using the right words). Rather Pakistan needs robust, competent, zealous blood so to stand back on its broken feet.

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com'n...now don't be emotional...grow up and be rational...

i am not referring literally to Shakespeare that was just for the arguments' sake...

sorry to say...but our ppl have become hypocrites...at one hand they believe new faces are the only way to change the system but on the other hand they stop believing in it when they have to sacrifice....unfortunately,u r one of those...

u r saying that our youth in incompetent?it means when the "old sages"will die,Pakistan will fall in the hands of the product of dark ages i.e Talibans?

what do u think...can a 28 yrs old will prove more robust and energetic or a 35 yrs or as u suggested 55 yrs old?

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