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I adore you for your God gifted talent and competence.But at this point let me dare to disagree with you.

I cant see murder of merit on the basis of just domicile, can you? Let the merit prevail irrespective of any qouta.


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Dear My Brother Invincible,

I apologize if i hurt your feelings... I never meant it.

The things that i mentioned about resources was not meant to target any individual. Nor my post was aimed to address you for the post.

I just wanted to say that let there be a principle and follow that principle every where, every thing we do should be in harmony with that principle. If people want quota, let every thing in terms of quota, if they want merit let every thing be in terms of merit.

Actually the thing that hurts in contradiction in principles, for to me it speaks of a conspiracy for..

That's what i wanted to say.. Again if i am wrong kindly correct me. And finally don't worry be happy. No one is going to do unjust with us.
Dear you hav'nt hurt me.

Would it be not better if CSS exam sets an exemple to promote merit in the country? InshAllah this initative if materialized,will be followed by others in every walk of life slowly and gradually.
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Atleast candidates from Sindh appear in twelve papers, psychological and interview. If you have any reservation then raise your voice against Army quota.
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Dear CSS must be free from any qouta. I aspire , when we learn to behave like developed countries.
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As every aspirent of CSS knows that resources of Pakistan has been divided on the basis of Population, why not the CSS be divided on the same basis?? Do you have any anwer to this question??


Lets supporse that we abolish the even today's NFC formula for the divisible pool then 65% of the total pool that comes from the Excise & Texation through the sea port should fall in the bucket of Sindh??


provIf i am wrong then kindly correct me. In such a case the provinces with greater population like Punjab & KP would be suffering bcz the managing population requires fund and those funds (in majority) are being generated either by sindh from the sea port or from Balochistan through the mineral resources.


Now you can guess he future of Provinces that claim thereselves Big Brothers.


So my humble suggestion is that if "any one wants merit to be the sole criteria for reward, the merit should prevail in all walks of life, not just in CSS".

Again no personal feelings & prejudices , Its just my openion.
With due respect, i would like to add something to what you have pointed out:

Dear, first of all, one must understand that resources are always divided amoung the federating units keeping in view the different factors. Population is one of the factors. New NFC Award also considers poverty, backwordness and development. I agree with you that in the past, population has been the only factor. Population is just like competition on the basis of number of people. If population of a unit is increaising at a greater rate, it means it requires more resources to meet its expenses. There is no point in comparing competitive exam with resources of pakistan. Competition means 'open for all'. Pakistan is a unit and competition should be among the pakistanis not among the province-level.

No doubt, sindh contributes much to national wealth. Baluchistan is also of prime importance. but if geographically a province is located near sea or it has some natural resource, it does not mean that revenue generated from these areas should be tied with those units only. The existence of such facilities does not generate revenue automatically, rather all pakistanis work there irrespective of what province they belong to.

Punjab, being the most populated province, faces the most deep-rooted problems which are not seen so often because standard of some elite class or wealthy people is considered to be the standard of the whole punjab population. why punjab has the largest unemployment rate? why is in punjab the most suicidal rate?

70% of revenue is generated from 4 cities only: Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Sialkot. Karachi generates most of all. If one notices the segregation of Karachi population, one realizes that nearly one half of the population who contribute to this profit consists of those people who have migrated from Punjab, K.P and Baluchistan. So the credit of generating this revenue goes to all provinces.

No federating unit is bigger than the other according to the constitution of pakistan and all enjoy same priviliges. It is the politics which creates indifferences. Even if a province is bigger interms of population, development, revenue generation, it must not boast rather help other federating units.


I do not mean to offend someone or hurt someone's feelings. I only want to amplify my viewpoint that Pakistan should not be seen as division of units rather as one entity. CSS is a federal level exam open for all no matter which province they belong to. Therfore, I think competition should not be linked with quota system.
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At present situation we cannot eradicate quota system.Pakistan is not for people of Punjab it is for all Pakistanis.The people of small provinces Like Baluchistan & Inter. Sindh have little opportunities for their education and grooming .Under these circumstances how they can compete with the student of GC lahore ,Atchison college ,FC Lahore .we should helped them instead of derogation .I would like to suggest that there should be quota for Southern Punjab candidates against PMS and executives posts in PPSC.
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well thing is so simple..
if css is considered only as the way of filling a required number of vacant posts across the specified provinces, the quota system has to be there as it's need of the provinces.
but if css is merely considered as an open competition, offcourse there's no need of any quota, provincial or feminine. css has to be superior n the one who competes for it must be able enough to stand superior in entire merit.

let's second the notion: "let the css stay superior to all exams of pakistan; be it armed forces or any other... let the css have an edge on all."

salute to the fighters n meritorious n pity on those who call them superior bt actually they're gift of quota..

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With due respect, i would like to add something to what you have pointed out:

Dear, first of all, one must understand that resources are always divided amoung the federating units keeping in view the different factors. Population is one of the factors. New NFC Award also considers poverty, backwordness and development. I agree with you that in the past, population has been the only factor. Population is just like competition on the basis of number of people. If population of a unit is increasing at a greater rate, it means it requires more resources to meet its expenses. There is no point in comparing competitive exam with resources of pakistan. Competition means 'open for all'. Pakistan is a unit and competition should be among the Pakistanis not among the province-level.

No doubt, sindh contributes much to national wealth. Baluchistan is also of prime importance. but if geographically a province is located near sea or it has some natural resource, it does not mean that revenue generated from these areas should be tied with those units only. The existence of such facilities does not generate revenue automatically, rather all pakistanis work there irrespective of what province they belong to.

Punjab, being the most populated province, faces the most deep-rooted problems which are not seen so often because standard of some elite class or wealthy people is considered to be the standard of the whole punjab population. why punjab has the largest unemployment rate? why is in punjab the most suicidal rate?

70% of revenue is generated from 4 cities only: Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Sialkot. Karachi generates most of all. If one notices the segregation of Karachi population, one realizes that nearly one half of the population who contribute to this profit consists of those people who have migrated from Punjab, K.P and Baluchistan. So the credit of generating this revenue goes to all provinces.

No federating unit is bigger than the other according to the constitution of pakistan and all enjoy same priviliges. It is the politics which creates indifferences. Even if a province is bigger interms of population, development, revenue generation, it must not boast rather help other federating units.


I do not mean to offend someone or hurt someone's feelings. I only want to amplify my viewpoint that Pakistan should not be seen as division of units rather as one entity. CSS is a federal level exam open for all no matter which province they belong to. Therfore, I think competition should not be linked with quota system.
Dear i was not talking of population or of cities, i was just pointing out to the fact that we must remain intact with a principle once we have framed it with mutual consensus... Once we have determined that thing should follow a definite pattern, they should be automated within the prescribed frame work. I do agree that if due to some geographical advantage a city is generating more Tex then any other part of Pakistan may not be an argument enough to outcast merit, but donot you realize the fact that Pakistan in working on 40% of its reachable Tex net with almost all the feudal lords and vaderas not included-in at all!!! Donot they bear any responsibility??

If Lahore, karachi, etc etc are willing to pay Tex, why not the land lord pay Tex???

Punjab..to my knowledge is more agrarian then sind. Even those vaderas in sind donot heed to pay anything (so no offense to punjabi borthers.)

You have recently heard the news of increase in quota of Baluchistan in CSS what that a matter that was decided upon the discretion of an individual?? that was the part of Baluchistan Reconciliation Package that was APPROVED BY OUR NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (to the best of my knowledge if wrong plz correct me). The same authority has set rules for the game here. So why to challenge it.
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The question of quota is not just about the employment in certain federal government department. It has deeper roots. Since due to one or other reason our politicians are not forcefull enough to implement their policies according to what their people demand. Therefore bureaucracy has to do the job itself, because it has presentation from all over the Pakistan. It is wrong to compare Pakistan with developed countries as those countries have strong institutions, to give voice to all the federating units. Therefore they dont require the same type of bureacracy as we do.

If overtime our political structure become strong enough then we may not need that kind of bureaucracy as we now have. Lets pray for the continuity of democracy (good politicians ) then this issue may become irrelevant with merit the top priority in the CSS.
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Dear i was not talking of population or of cities, i was just pointing out to the fact that we must remain intact with a principle once we have framed it with mutual consensus... Once we have determined that thing should follow a definite pattern, they should be automated within the prescribed frame work. I do agree that if due to some geographical advantage a city is generating more Tex then any other part of Pakistan may not be an argument enough to outcast merit, but donot you realize the fact that Pakistan in working on 40% of its reachable Tex net with almost all the feudal lords and vaderas not included-in at all!!! Donot they bear any responsibility??

If Lahore, karachi, etc etc are willing to pay Tex, why not the land lord pay Tex???

Punjab..to my knowledge is more agrarian then sind. Even those vaderas in sind donot heed to pay anything (so no offense to punjabi borthers.)

You have recently heard the news of increase in quota of Baluchistan in CSS what that a matter that was decided upon the discretion of an individual?? that was the part of Baluchistan Reconciliation Package that was APPROVED BY OUR NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (to the best of my knowledge if wrong plz correct me). The same authority has set rules for the game here. So why to challenge it.
Principles or laws are not static. These require change according to the changing circumstances. As you have mentioned that quota for Baluchistan has been increased. (if it is true) So was it not a change in law or principle?? However, I strongly support this change because it is need of hour to redress the greivances of baluchi people.

I agree with you that many influential feudal lords, jagirdars and waderas in Punjab goes scot free from tax. But it is also true in the case of Sindh. The prolbem lies in our system which calls for much needed change. Politics-Bureaucracy-Military complex is ruling our country. All these power-hungry demagogues will never want merit-system to prevail in any aspect where there own interests are harmed. Army wants favours even in competitional exams, so a quota has been reserved for them and an easy path welcomes them to civil service of pakistan. Similarly our politicians are aslo trying to get into the position where they can play the role of CSP-makers. (Politicians have demanded to appoint them as membesr of FPSC).
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