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It is ok...PSP/DMG preference is aptitude based and one cant judge his/herself aptitude untill he/she is part of the service...so best of luck
Sir very very thanks for giving reply.
Sir what is the comparison between Chief Secretary post and IG police of any province post? who has more power and authority or both are independent posts?

and what is the comparison between Federal Secretary (interior) and IG police of any province? who has more power and authority or both are independent posts?

and what is the comparison between A Federal Secretary and Provincial Chief Secretary ?

plz tell me about these all posts in detail


and which group has more authority after psp and dmg?

Waiting for your precious reply

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Sir thank you very much for helping us.

Can you please elaborate what you mean “as per my experience PSP service is enjoyable for just 7,8 years”? Do you mean monotony that crepts in due to the same “police-chor” game? Or does it mean tough routine etc?

Can you explain the future of DMG group? The reason is that every government that comes up with local government ordinance aims at curtailing their powers [2001 ordinance a case in point]So do you think it is far-fetched when I speculate that, although currently having almost the pre-devolution powers, DMG might be subject to these ordinances again and again?

There are people who say that DMG depends upon on posting to posting. So one day you can be DCO and you get many advantages but the other day you can be a chairman of some unknown planning body/committee and don’t even get the vehicle. How much of it is true? If yes, then do you think its worth it?

Can you tell what is the career growth [holistically] in PSP vs DMG?

Lastly, Please comment on my group selection

Police Service of Pakistan,
District Management Group,
Military Lands & Cantonments Group,
Foreign Service of Pakistan,
Inland Revenue Service,
Office Management Group,
Pakistan Customs Service,
Commerce and Trade Group,
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Well You have asked too many Qs...I try to answer most of them

7,8 years service means that when you get to the age of 40, you do not like to take police like pressures....and there are a lot of pressures since you are directly dealing with the criminals and you can know about those pressures only when you are part of the service...I cannot explain them here on this forum (These pressures are very different to the pressures faced by other Officers of the civil service)

About the future of DMG, that is evident from the fact that now there is Local Bodies System as at 13-08-2001 in Balochistan,Sindh,GB,AJK and ICT. Now KPK has announced to restore Commissionerate system and to raise the issue in the upcoming meeting of Council of Common Interest. In Malakand Division of KPK the old system has already been restored. Now only Punjab is left and even here a mixture of old and new is prevailing. So after looking at the progress made by DMG after being hit by Musharaf regime, I am very hopeful that within next 3 years or so the entire Pak would revert to that old Local Bodies System. Well let me mention here that we PSPs are in favour of old system coz coordination with Distt Admin is much smoother than with judiciary in routine matters. On 13-08-2001 an AC was a Magastrat (1st Class) he was NOT a judicial magistrate so executive was separate from judiciary already...1st Class Magistracy is just to enforce prevalent local laws and take off minor matters from routine judiciary. Governments will have to restore old system, moreover local bodies were there in old system as well, we just to functionalise them properly.

No! I do not agree with the concept of posting to posting thing. Look we all are Govt Servants, no officer enjoys 100% good postings...that is for all groups. I know a PSP who is without any posting for the last 4 months and not even sure that where he'll end up? even his salary was stopped, car has been taken back, no servant or cook...just nothing!!! and 4 months back he was posted as an SP (Operations) in a key city. Another example is of ex SSP (Operation) Lahore Shaukat Abbas, one day he was SSP Lahore and the next day was SSP (Admin) in Special Branch. Another officer was DPO in a city of Punjab and next day he was told to report to Balochistan. Another Officer was SP in a big city of punjab and next day he was asked to report to Balochistan. Another DPO was posted as Deputy Dir in Elite training school...where there is no proper office,vehicle and supporting staff when you compare it with being a DPO in Punjab. Similarly good/bad postings are part of service in DMG too but being two top groups mostly PSP/DMG get better postings and afterall DMG has wide range of better postings. The higher you go the difficult it is to get a better posting. what about being a DIG Telecom, DIG (Special Branch), DIG (Finance), DIG (Social Welfare) etc and in BPS-20 a DMG officer is a Provincial Secretary, and believe me,a Provincial Sectt (Social Welfare) is better placed than DIG (social welfare). So good postings are not property of ANY group...if you 'll have good references you 'll get good postings; make it simple!!!

As far as Career growth is concerned "There is no Doubt that DMG is the BEST", Well when i took CSS it was in year 2000, when there were rumours around about the LGO-2001, so people started saying that DMG will be destroyed, but time has proved those people wrong, today its 2011....things have changed, DMG has proved itself to be the "Real" group and it is again the top choice for most of the candidates. In current scenario i definately would had gone for DMG, infact a cousin of mine qualified in CSS-2010 and I made him to go for DMG and he has been allocated in DMG.

I'll advise this, rest of your own choice;

DMG
PSP
FSP (if aptitude allows)
IRS
PCS
PAAS
MLCG
OMG
IG
Railway
Postal

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Sir very very thanks for giving reply.
Sir what is the comparison between Chief Secretary post and IG police of any province post? who has more power and authority or both are independent posts?

and what is the comparison between Federal Secretary (interior) and IG police of any province? who has more power and authority or both are independent posts?

and what is the comparison between A Federal Secretary and Provincial Chief Secretary ?

plz tell me about these all posts in detail


and which group has more authority after psp and dmg?

Waiting for your precious reply

Regards,
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Chief Secretary(CS) is the Administrative head of all the departments of the province,Chief Minister is the Political Head and Chief Sectt is the Admin Head so he is next in tier after CM. Ofcourse CS is more powerful and even in most of the matters IG is reportable to Sectt (Home), In case of Punjab Home Ministry is with the CM. Eeven appointment of IG is approved and issued by Chief Secretary Office. Moreover IG is the Provincial head of the Police force only

DG (FIA), DG (IB), DG (Frontier Consteblery), DG (Rangers), DG (Pak Coast Guards),IG (Islamabad), Chief Commissioner (ICT) and DG (Immigration & Passport) are directly reportable to Federal Secretary (Interior), Moreover a lot of other interior issues are directly under control of the Sectt Interior. Ofcourse Sectt Interior is 10 times more powerful as compared to an IG. Both are independent designations (No one is under the other directly but during emergency situation IG of a province can request Sectt (Interior) via CS for the deployment of Rangers & FC to help Police to maintain law & Order), IG is reportable to CS,Sectt & minister(Home) and CM, whereas Sectt Interior is reportable to PM via Interior Minister.

A Federal Sectt and a Chief Sectt both are totally independent posts, both are v powerful but no one is under the other directly

No group has "AUTHORITY" except PSP/DMG

hope all Qs have been answered

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Thank you very much Sir for being here to clear our confusions.
I am in a fix- I want to write FSP as my first choice but i am not sure about the perks and privileges given to a 17th grade officer in FSP. Is it difficult to get a foreign posting without any reference? ( I have heard it) and even if one gets a foreign posting, is it easy for an officer to take his/her family along? and while posted inside does one get official residence easily?

Secondly is it advisable for girls to go for DMG? Are they too posted in far flung areas? And does a 17th grade officer in DMG get official residence?

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a) Sir, is the following list correct to hit a bps -21.

DMG
PAAS
FSP
Police
Railways
IRS
PCS
OMG
MLCG
CTG
Postal
IG

b) and promotions depends a lot on candidat's age apart from other things, under prevailing circumstances can a preson with 30 yrs of service hit a bps-22? and presently what is that service which favors this.

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Sir first of all thank you for starting this valuable topic, Jazak Allah.

Please comment on:
- Commerce and Trade group: from what I heard, you are only posted in the larger cities, interaction with key business people (as compared to general public - no offense meant), good scholarship/foreign study opportunities, foreign tours, posting as commercial/trade counsellor in other countries. Why is it being kept so low in earlier poster's preferences?

- Please also comment on MLCG. What are the future professional development opportunities, any scholarships, etc., or is it a field that allows you to become stagnant? I know one can become stagnant in any field if they choose, but in your valued opinion, where does it stand? How do the military personnel look upon a civilian in MLCG?

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Thank you very much Sir for being here to clear our confusions.
I am in a fix- I want to write FSP as my first choice but i am not sure about the perks and privileges given to a 17th grade officer in FSP. Is it difficult to get a foreign posting without any reference? ( I have heard it) and even if one gets a foreign posting, is it easy for an officer to take his/her family along? and while posted inside does one get official residence easily?

Secondly is it advisable for girls to go for DMG? Are they too posted in far flung areas? And does a 17th grade officer in DMG get official residence?

Waiting anxiously for your reply
-As a first posting in FSP, an officer is posted as Assistant Director at any of the desks in Ministry of Foreign Affairs, he is given a room in the Officers' Hostel...no house is possible without a SERIOUS reference, because getting a house in Islamabad is difficult for even PSP/DMG officers, so it is further difficult for other groups. While being in Pak FSP officers are entitled to official car in BPS-20 and above, below it no official car is given and their salary in Pak is same like other similar grade officers.
-When posted abroad a BPS-17 officer of FSP is given furnished accomodation,vehicle and 3000 USD salary. They interact with good people. They are allowed to take along spouse and children. parents are not allowed.
- In BPS-17,18,19 most of the postings can be achieved without reference...the real competition starts after you get into the senior grades and one has to fight for brighter postings and the competition becomes tougher. FSP isnt very good for family point of view coz ur kids turn out to be some what hybride, semi-chinese, semi-european, semi-african and semi-pakistani type of mixture

-Yes! females are advisable to go for DMG, they are not posted in far fluged areas, rather preference is given to them for their posting in their home city. For example if a female is from Lahore, she would be given preference for her posting to be in Lahore. Yes! in field duties like working as AC and ASP; one gets official designated residence. When you are posted AC or ASP somewhere, you get a designated residence waiting for you(Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad and in some other metropoliton cities it is hard to find an official residence for both PSP & DMG, but both of these groups are most likely to get one when you compare them with civil servants) Only PSP & DMG are the two groups where one gets an official car and official residence on your first day of posting (exceptions can be there) but in more than 99% of the cases one will get it, coz an ASP or an AC cannot perform his/her duties without official car from the very first day.
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a) Sir, is the following list correct to hit a bps -21.

DMG
PAAS
FSP
Police
Railways
IRS
PCS
OMG
MLCG
CTG
Postal
IG

b) and promotions depends a lot on candidat's age apart from other things, under prevailing circumstances can a preson with 30 yrs of service hit a bps-22? and presently what is that service which favors this.

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Currently the requirement to be promoted into BPS-22 is minimum of 2 years service in BPS-21 and this fact should be kept in mind that BPS-22 is a selection grade (It is discretion of the PM to award BPS-22 to anyone who has minimum of 2 years service in BPS-21) yes a person having 30 years of service can get to BPS-22 provided he is from DMG or PAAS, but ONLY promotions do not matter, one should keep authority into consideration as well, a mixture of promotion and authority should be focussed...I'll advise the following top four goups' sequence to you keeping in view the promotion and meaningful role to be played in service

DMG
PSP
FSP (depending on one's aptitude)
PAAS (depending on one's educational back ground and interest in accounting etc)
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Sir first of all thank you for starting this valuable topic, Jazak Allah.

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- Commerce and Trade group: from what I heard, you are only posted in the larger cities, interaction with key business people (as compared to general public - no offense meant), good scholarship/foreign study opportunities, foreign tours, posting as commercial/trade counsellor in other countries. Why is it being kept so low in earlier poster's preferences?

- Please also comment on MLCG. What are the future professional development opportunities, any scholarships, etc., or is it a field that allows you to become stagnant? I know one can become stagnant in any field if they choose, but in your valued opinion, where does it stand? How do the military personnel look upon a civilian in MLCG?

Thank you!
The promotion in CTG is too low, one retires max in BPS-20 after 30 years of service in CTG, interaction is with business men but what powers a CTG officer has to entertain those business men? I think IRS and PCS can benefit those business men far more than CTG. Scholarships are obtained by all groups but maximum are for DMG coz they are the "National Administrative Service" as a matter of fact ex-Chief Secretary Punjab, Mr Kmaran Rasool,DMG is getting a salary of 12 lac a month from a private bank in lhr, no other service can match this when a person is even retired. PSP/DMG officers can start their careers as lawyers and some of them doing so very successfully but this isnt the case with most of the other groups.

Moreover about the Commercial Attache' posting, as a fact around 70% of current commercial attaches' are from DMG, the reason is one has to undergo a course from LUMS and then a panel of LUMS select and recommends the persons to be posted as Commercial Attache. CTG officers have a writ in SC against this and they are asking for the right in Commercial Attache postings but lets see what come out of that.

Therefore above mentioned are the reasons for CTG being too low in merit
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If you compare the powers of Judiciary (I am talking about higher judiciary e.g High Court, Supreme Court) and a Grade 21 DMG or PSP officer, who do you think enjoys more power, perks and priveleges? Please elaborate.
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