Thanks sandhurst for such valuable information.
After reading these arguments i can understand the agony of pms/pss officers.

The logic of punjab govt to snub and discriminate provincial officers is hard to understand.perhaps it's because pms officers are are under direct control of punjab govt,while same is not the case against DMGs, Or else this undue favour to DMG may be with the aim to gain their favours when they are posted outside punjab.In any case, this attitude is not ideal:

Agreed bro..

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I am sorry my dear fellow. We should all maintain the decorum of the forum. thanks.

I just want to say that, if you say that css is more competitive than pms thna my dear you are wrong. Please check criteria at PUNJAB PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION. Now pms and css are equal in jugding the competency of all the candidates. My misses how stood at 115(PA&AS) in css 2009 prefer to stay as pms officer. I am also a pms officer. I stood at 471 in css 2009. Both dmg and pms officers are equal in competency. Both are wonderful. One who has gone through the preparation process whether for css or pms better knows.

Regarding corruption, it has no cadre symbol. it is a social phenomenon.
if i am not wrong dear you do not have gone through the process of preparation for pms or dmg. now, its just luck that whether you fall in dmg or pms. May allah almighty make you a dmg officer, i wl pray for you.

My batchmate Madem Ramullah Ali syeda, a pms officer stood 2nd in css 2010. So there is no difference between css or pms.

Inshallah problems between the two groups would be solved soon. there is complete harmony between dmg and pms officers regarding official work. My DCO is a pms officer, ADC is a dmg officer. We never felt any problem. ap yahan forum per beth kar aisa he urata rehta hain. take care.

I totally agreed to you brother. PMS officer, especially the new entrants by all means are no less competent than CSPs for they are selcted through a process identical to that of CSS and are subjected to the same rigors of selection process. You have quoted your wife , and your batch mate who secured second position in CSS. Apart from them i know tow officers of PMS Batch II, Mr Husnain Khalid and Zaigham nawaz who were allocated to IG and IRS respectivly in 2009 but they prefred to stay in PMS.

One's higher position in CSS examination by no means is eveidence of ones competence and superiority over those who are at bottom rung of merit ladder. There is a possibility that one who grabbed higher marks must be the beneficiary of better marking policy, good subject choice, marks grabbing tactics, cramming, and even luck. Besides quota System let a qualifier from one geogrphical unit with lower position to get allocation of say first preference while some one other with higher marks may not get allocation at all. So , i beleieve those who get through the competencies exam -be it PMS or CSS- are more or less at the same level of competence with some obvious exceptions.

Another very important point that is missed from all PMS-CSS controversy is that whether ones promotion and career progression in civil services be based upon Group affiliation or performance? What is guarantee that A DMG officer will always perform better? Same time if a PMS officer performs well should he be denied fast track promotion vis-a-vis his/her DMG counterpart only on the basis of affliiation with group? This is a blatnat denial of merit , transparency and good governance. I belive that there must be equal oppourtunities for all civil servants with a proper appraisal and monitoring system in place. THose who perform well regardless of their group affiliation must be rewarded.

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I think we should be realistic while considering these postings and stuff, considering the fact we are living in Pakistan and you know here reference is required to get postings...Whosoever will have a strong reference will get a better posting...If a DMG officer does not have a good reference later in his career, he will spend most of his time in "Khudday Line" postings...On the other hand if someone has big reference even if he is not from DMG or PSP he will enjoy the best of postings....DCO,DPO,RPO,Commissioner etc all are semi-political postings, no one can get these postings without a reference and without considering the fact that whichever service he belongs to..!

AOA

All the most respected members of current post, everyone of you give your own opinion about DMG but the GREAT confusion arises that WHICH SHOULD BE SELECTED FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ONE'S FUTURE, CSS or PMS?

Ofcourse CSS..there is no confusion

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This is really making me laugh...what are you trying to say? Since Ramallah stood 2nd in CSS this means PMS and CSS officers both are equal in competence? By the way what is the definition of Competence? Getting a good position in any exam proves one's competence? Here on this forum I read some where in a post by Red.Hawk that "It is the training, service structure, exposure and organizational culture which develops your competence NOT the examination system" and I agree with this definition of competence and as far as the matter of a PAAS allocated PMS officer not joining PAAS; well as far as my opinion is concerned she made the biggest mistake of her professional life, one should feel sorry about this decision rather than being proud of this. If she was not looking to join PAAS then why she appeared in CSS exam? I'll not be surprised if you say that she appeared for DMG, but i know you wouldnt say so....but yes I agree that on field there is no tussle between PMS n DMG officers...as mentioned above DCO is PMS and the ADC is DMG, it wouldnt be far away when both these officers would b DCO in 2 different districts and I wouldnt be surprised to see that after further few years the DMG offcer would be Additional Commissioner/Commissioner and the PMS officer would still be DCO. One should be realistic and keep the ground realities in mind

Thanks nadem for your kind reply.
First of all my mrs. is very happy to join pms while not joining the PAAS. She made her decision independently considering her family life as well as two services. Also she give a chance to a candidate who was out of allocation orbit by revoking here acceptance. Also my brother i have compared both services practically PMS is better than PAAS. Butt PAAS is also a good service for female officers. Regarding your question about training, you are right DMG has better training, better service structure as it has very long history and now have become a mature service. On the other hand, PMS is created in 2004 and its first batch is recruited in 2006. My dear brother, compare the service rules of the both service, you would be clear that PMS is not less than DMG regarding service structure. The actual problem is that this new service has been denied its due share. In future when S&GAD will give the due share to PMS then there would be now difference between the two. My dear i believe that whether PMS or DMG both are nice services. the real thing is how are you going to serve. if we are delivering it all right otherwise we would have to pay in the end.
PMS is fighting its case in SC. Inshallah, things would be in better in future. In nutshell, both PMS and DMG are excellent services. take care

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