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Politics is the only way people of Pakistan, you an me can take part in the state affairs. Monarchy in the form of Ayub era, Zia era and to some exetent Musharraf era failed because majority of people of Pakistan have faith in democracy. |
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I am trying to make it more understandable, hope you are getting the point .
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Democracy is the best and only way to run the states as it is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people and for the people. As for as democracy in Pakistan is concerned, I think its not in its true spirit rather more worse as compared to dictatorship. The reason behind that is this that we have seen only selected politicians in our country who has been ruling over us since the very beginning of the Pakistan as an independent state.
More over they prefer their personal interest over the national interest as they are by birth corrupt. These so called democrats have never let the educated and middle class people to come up and serve the country in true sense nor they have tried to make Pakistan a peaceful, educated and advanced nation in the world but unlike have created provincialism, sectarianism, class-system and discrimination on the basis of tribes, castes, creeds and colour type of problems in the country. Today unfortunately we find corruption in each and every institution of our country due to over black sheep baccalaureates. What a shame we are a Muslim state!
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To all those who think Musharraf Pushed us into the War on Terror.
My Question to them is , ' what would have Zardari or Any other Democratic leader have done if he were in Place of Musharraf ? ' Call for Change- you said Dictatorship did better in Pakistan because America supplied dollars to dictators ? Then What about Zardari Govt ? It is too receiving the same thing. Education sector, tellicomunication sector and IT department flourished the Most in Mushy Regime. Economy Boosted up. The Most Important thing, 'Literacy Rate' got improved by 11percent. And its the Literacy Rate and Education that directs the country towards prosperity. And Musharraf paid Special attention towards these. Which means his sincerity towards country was far more than any of Our democratic leader. Democracy totally loses its worth when it brings up zardari type people to the throne. What have this country acheived yet from democracy ? Nothing Rather democratic leaders have plundered it alot more than any dictator. It is not democracy ALONE that determines the better future of a country if it was so then Japan, scandinavian countries and UAE would be amonst the least developed countries as they are ruled by monarchs ( Not absolute though) . Its the person that rules the country that determines the better future of a country. And in Our Case its really hard to find one through elections , more specifically , under democratic rule. P.S : I am not in Favour of dictatorship but it is just that dictators especially Musharraf did far more for this country then any other ruler. |
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Proponents of dictatorship often point out that Pakistan has done better under dictators while democratic governments have totally messed up. What they forget is that democracy has never been allowed to take root in Pak. For almost half of our history, we have been governed by the army directly and for the other half, indirectly.
The results of uninterrupted democracy next door speak for themselves and anyway, 99% of the problems we face today can be traced back to Mard-e-Momin Zia Ul Haq (a dictator). |
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Democracy agar democracy hi ho tou best hai ye jo Pakistan mein system chal raha hai democracy kay naam pe wo actually innings hai 2 parties ki pehle aik lootne ajata hai or tou kabi doosra or jo bicharay chotay moti parties hoti hain wo bhi inhi kay sath mil jati hai. Tell me one development jis pe hum keh sakain kay ye karnama democracy ne kiya hai. Atomic Program Z. A Bhutto ne papers pe banaya mana but who turn it into reality ? Nuclear test Nawaz Sharif ne nahi kiya ye us waqt k Army Chief ka pressure tha k agar nahi kiye tou tumhari govt. gai agar yaqeen na aai tou Express ka Exclusive Interview dekhain Dr. A.Q Khan ka kay wo kya kehta hai. Jitne dams is waqt Pakistan me hain wo sub kay sub Dictators ne banai. Basic Infrastructure dictator kay door mein banay....... Koi 1 kaam batao jo is Pakistani Democracy ne diya ho Quote:
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kya suffer kiya dictatorship mein pakistan ne ? take the facts from 2000 to 2008 then tell me suffer democracy mein kiya mulk ne ya dictatorship mein ? imagination se mulk nahi chaltay practical hona chahiye sub jo proof karay kay haan ye theek hai. Last edited by Shooting Star; Thursday, August 09, 2012 at 03:11 PM. Reason: merged |
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democracy
1973constitution was the big achievement of a democratic government.all the dictators amend it for their own vested interests.a dictator do not has the support of masses so he take support of foreign powers and while gaining this,country interests' are put at standstill mood.there are many achievements of even this worst democracy in pakistan
18 constitutional amendment nfc award institutional supermacy unanimous approval of cec seniors plz highlight my grammatical mistakes regardz |
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" Aap konsa system chahtay hain Pakistan mein Democracy ya Dictatorship " Reality pata chal jaigi aap ko democracy ki Pakistan mein. Quote:
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ye democracy nahi 2 parties ka match hai kabhi aik innings khailta hai tou kabhi doosra. Nawaz Sahab ko agar itna hi mulk ka khayal hai tou 4.5 years se kyun bethay hain assembly mein resign kyun nahi de rahay dear Quote:
Musharraf ne jatay jatay theek hi kaha tha " Pakistan ka ab Allah hi Hafiz hai " jo theek hi kaha tha. Last edited by Shooting Star; Thursday, August 09, 2012 at 03:10 PM. Reason: merged |
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I don't classify military rulers of Pakistan in the category of dictators. All military juntas that have taken place in Pakistan seem like bouts of opportunist generals who jump in to get political power when political conditions are suitable, but as soon as questions on their legitimacy take firm political momentum they back off without bringing any good firm change in the system. On the contrary Dictators are leaders who gain power through continuous and harsh political and military struggle, rule with iron hand and ultimately build up a powerful organization that effectively enforce laws on the society and runs better administration as the leader wants it too. Economy and society are also built in the process. Almost all the powerful states, for example Britain, France, Germany etc were built by autocratic individuals or oligarchies and gradually their governments evolved into democracies. People have faith in the state, not in politicians. In no developed country is any political party, whether in government or not, is powerful than the state; if it is than it becomes a phenomenon known as state within a state. Judiciary serves as a link between people and the state, not elected representatives. Elected representatives' job is to rule the state through their policies implemented by legislative and/or executive authority; they are highly influential and noble citizens but by no means they can be bigger than the law. States are headed by Head of State and head of state assures state is immune to political influence so that in case of political instability crossing the limits, it is checked. That is how functional democracies around the world work. In Pakistan there is no such mechanism in place. We assume that if it is democracy than someone who forms the governments can do anything he wants, but that is not how it is done. Pakistani society is still backwards, individuals still assume things like in old times, economy relies heavily upon the feudal lords and their norms which are only bound to their wishes and ambitions and nothing else, and traditions are still of old tribal age where sense of tribalism prevails not nationalism. When the lords get political power they mingle in everyday affairs as if the country is their fief or something. Variety of political movements take ground in such an environment and eventually we have a non functional state that cannot even assure basic safety of life to the people. Everyone just wants to become 'Almighty' .
So whether the government is a democracy or dictatorship, what is needed is a functioning state that can make things work .
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1- Monarchy in Great Britain is just symbolical. All the power rests with the Parliament. This system does not suit Pakistan. As you rightly siad Democracy in Pakistan is not that mature to be unaccountable. 2-France passed through 4 stages if I am not mistaken, to reach this system. this system also does not suit us. we do not share a single similarity with France. 3-In U.S.A the separation of Legislature and Executive is a good thing for themselves, that can not be applied to Pakistan as in Pakistan executive is accountable to legislature and judiciary and legislature is also answerable to judiciary whilst Judiciary is practically not answerable to anyone in the recent scenario. In USA Executive is not answerable to Legislature and Judiciary also show restraint for executive as they recently shown in Health Bill issue. Pakistan has its own unique culture and realities. We need a system which is democratic and accountability must be balanced. Muslims are taught to be wise and exercise freedom. A system of Consultation should prevail in a muslim society which is Democracy in modern language. Quote:
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