These two reasons may be appearling and seem to be quite valid, but at the same time, this is just exaggeration of ourselves and pushing the blames on international powers and their working hands of Raw, Mossad or MI5---MI6, instead of looking into our ownselves.

Powerful Islamic Country! On certain articles, in gossiping and chatting of some circles, Pakistan is a powerful Islamic country and is a threat for west, but in reality, the things are quite opposite.

I do not have any further comments or words to express my views!

Evidences Yes the evidences should not be made public.

1- No doubt, even little kids know that government has not only failed to solve this problem but many more problems as well. As regards Army Operation at Karachi, the COAS General Kayani has categorically expressed his views that there is no need of any army operation at Karachi.

2- Oh, is it so! Perhaps that is sort of some public healing message that a joint team has been made Put some lions or cheetahs in a big forest of hyenas, wolves, foxes, jackals and dogs and chain these lions and cheetahs and put a board outside the big forest limits that all other animals should not worry because they have instated some cute animals for their protection. These chained animals will do what protection, instead they will be at mercy of these hyenas and wolves for the lives! ....................

3- The ranger personnels got punishment of killing that guy after publishing of the video at various channels...... .

4- Third party!!! Dear I have not written about different Jihadi tanzeems rather I just tried to comment upon the newspaper clips hyperlinked by you. It will certainly be appropriate if you google about these organizations. As per some scanty information, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi Al Alami is usually used as a brand name of little factions of Lashkar, which include Qari Zafar group, Qari Shakeel group, Akram Lahori group and Farooq Bengali group as well as including SSP, SMP etc. TTP Mullah Fazlullah group and TSNM were two names of same thing, HuM, HuMA, JeM, JuF etc are somewhat offshoots of same thing and were inclined towards the Kashmiri Jihad! Jundallah with main links to Irans Seestan o Balochistan area! Tehrik-e-Islami Lashkar-e-Muhammadi (TILM) and Lashkar-e-Islami (LeI) were moreorless bandit groups which were gathered under TTP names! Mehdi Militia (MM), Hezbollah, Kharooj, Tawheed Brigade (TB), Al Mukhtar Group, if they exist , these were linked to Palestine Jihad and Kashmir Jihad. And for their Punjabi Mujahideen, and God may better know if any such thing exists or otherwise.

5- Am nobody to demand any thing , was just trying to impress upon you that the army is not solution of Karachi. Yes I already know very much about this thing and also know well that if at all they have announced any such operation, that will just be on papers and nothing will happen. ... And actual solution will certainly be the same suggestion, letting loose of hawks and eagles.

Its really a graet dillema. And not only that, there are many movies, naming and showing Karachi as a heaven of militants/extremists and terrorists. India has also made it famous by terming it the station of Dawood Ibrahim and his associates... ................... But after all, we are also responsible for this dillema. We fight on the ethnic and secterian grounds and others get benefit. Also, we play the roles of Mir Sadiq and Mir Jafar and provide a good footing to any body to play power games... .....................

There are sub-divisions in many of the parties which are doing this. Specially in karachi, people are dyeing in a greater number. So called Mutehda Qaumi Movement is not Mutehd actually, there are two groups in it 1.Bihari and 2.Shia. Bihari group is having majority of sunni's and both are trying to get possession of the party. On other hand Sunni tehrik which is transformed shape of Haqiqi is totally against mutehda. Rather i would say it's a gang war, instead of calling it sectarian killing. Recently on Eid ul Azha both parties tried to take as many animal skin as possible and this time Haqiqi did it. Even in Muttehda's main area's they killed many of animals. . .For the sake of extortion over animals :/ Well water will get separated very soon from the milk. . !!

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The horrible condition of Karachi points out towards the growing extremist atitude of our nation.Instead of understanding the root cause of the problem,everybody is busy in the blame game.In every country different communities belonging to different religions exit but they live quite peacefully.why Pakistanis donot opt such approach?..simply because our ulemas and politicians are not understanding the graviety of the situation..this menace will continue to haunt the country until we stop interfering into others' religious affairs and politicians as well as ulemas should also avoid point scoring over this sectarian issue.
Regards

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true , mutual co existence and concept of pluralism are sadly unknown to rulers of pakistan. I my view , ulema have very little control in containing the current spree of violence, however , their role can be ruled out in bringing this city to semblance of sanity. onus , as always , lies on the politicians .

Although we can blame ulemas and politicians for many things including creating this ideological mess that has reached the level as we see today, I think the situation is much worse for them to handle now. At most what they can do is make laws and/or general appeals, but who will listen to them when the state has interests of its own and is sitting ducks doing nothing to establish rule of law, the society is too polarized, dormant and confused in its ideals and values, the economy is ruined and there is no authority over the affairs.

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As you sow, so shall you reap. What we sowed in 80's , we are reaping today.

1- Yes, COAS regretted any kind of army operation in Karachi as according to him, situation is under-control by rangers and police. Do you often think so?
Boy lets be serious. I am no one to disagree with COAS's views but i want to verify something, the upper level management of every department is controlled by one person right now( one of the 3 A'). COAS is bit co-operating with that A because of some reasons.
2- I am not agreed with the combination of those three departments to work together for Khi.
3- Yup they got punishment for what they did because they were wrong. You said that there was a mistake from Sarfaraz Shah's side also because he was having a gun with him and he was harrasing a couple inside the park,wanted to clarify that.
4- I agree with your point.
5- You do have the right to demand any proper thing from your selected persons. Seriously but I am not impressed by you that Army is not the solution. I do know that its a paper/television talk only.
Well lets wait and watch, Army or letting loose of hawks and eagles. Just a matter of time

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Try to use appropriate words, regret does not suit here. Regret means that he was asked by some authority to carry out an army operation but he refused to do so.

As far as my thinking is concerned, I have many other things to think of and to do, Karachi operation etc is none of my business. Even if at all, some tom, dick and harry, remain making hue and cry, nothing is supposed to take place merely on his thinking or suggestions.


Boy ? Hold on, try to be mature and behave while having conversation or discussion with seniors.

Try to use words after getting into their meanings, 'i want to verify something,' it means that you are some where somehow and verifying veracity of some statement or some report. Try to come out of the army engima, it is implied by your last sentence that COAS wants to do lot of things for the benefit of nation but he is cooperating with the President of Pakistan because of some reason and President dont want to do those things! Amry is an institution of the state, and it should remain as an institution instead of becoming the state. COAS has been making lot of efforts for building up the due place/impression of army amongst the masses and he dont want to do any adventure.

You are certainly nobody to agree or disagree to such things.

I dont know anything into it, but try to watch that clilp again, it seemed that the guy had done something and was trying to convince the ranger people to let him go and was pleading and pleading. What was the thing, for which he was pleading! Anyways, no further comments.

Its not my point of view, these are the facts.

I am not demanding anything from any body, that is just a part of thinking and nothing else. Seriously, you should need to practice for usage for words and phrases, have a look at dictionary for meaning of 'impress upon.' I need not to impress all and sundry! This is not the matter of time because hawks and eagles are not being let loose.

Yes, apparently, it is a gang war to reign Karachi.

Yes, Ulema and politicians are invovled in this turmoil, but they are too naive to think about correction of their follies! They cannot avoid point scoring on religious congregation, though they often meet each other and dine together. Their sermons are just for fooling the fools...

Nothing is impossible for a willing and determined person. The country is in need of a proactive leadership, and unfortunately, such a leadership is not in offing...

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First of all chill out boy, don't be hyper ok. If you want to discuss then carry on else making someone angry isn't a good job. Now the answers are:

Yes surely he regretted and it's an appropriate word i used above. You are talking according to the reports by worldwide media but I am talking according to my present evidences.

Well if it's non of your business, then wind-up this chapter here.

I haven't abused yet then why are you acting like this?
you are senior but you don't have the right to behave with anyone like this..

'verify something' that means what we were discussing here before..Be blessed with 'clarify something', happy now?
Well you have your own point, go on with that. I have my own.


If so then why I am living in Pakistan as i am nobody for this country, nice thinking. One should close his mouth after watching anything happening wrong here.

Same as you are going with media again, well close this one if you don't want further comments.

I agree with the facts you've represented here,now ok?

Sorry for getting that wrong, i thought you had written "impress you upon" but actually it's "impress upon you."
One should not feel hyper and giving someone lessons about English

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Whenever I hear, “It can’t be done,” I know I’m close to success.

'Boy' happy that you are again calling me boy, though am not one and also this is an impolite word.

As regards going with the media, to be honest, I have not seen any newspaper from so many days except for the those, which were shared by you However, if somehow you have access to some concrete evidence and having discussion on the basis of that sound evidence but simultaneously do not want to open the secrets and if you really do have indepth study of Karachi troubles and pros & cons of any army operation at Karachi, thn it will, for sure, be a beneficial thing for the aspirants, if such a thing is made in a point-wise form and shared here so that iy may add up to knowledge of lot of people.

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