@ Sadaf: You have got the point now.

No one is ready to spend a penny, even knowing that the case is very strong. It is not the abligation of 10-15 people to comntribute whole of Rs. 1m and take the case forward. It should be a collective effort. if affected candidates have confidence in their abilities and can live up to their dream of taking CE, they should come forward. PMS case is a classic example.

My friends, Asif, mystic, ghazanfer etc. are tired to pleading to people for petty amounts of Rs. 5k-10k. it is really disgraceful for these as these people are woring at senior positions in their fields. I salute their efforts but now they are fed up after 2 years.

I am speaking here too much then why should not I take the lead? I would if I would have been in Pakistan. All I did was contributed financially and morally.

Give suggestion for increasing age Limit here and it might help the cause.


http://www.fpsc.gov.pk/icms/user/page.php?page_id=913
or
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dfV...viewform?pli=1

Css age relaxation is not going to be that easy.

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Dear members i have gone through all posts right from page one. I am a victim of same issue i.e. overage restriction. In my last post I mentioned that I was going to Lahore to meet Mr. A. K Dogar, but unfortunately he was not available during my stay in Lahore. I contacted Mr. Asif Amin and he provided me Mr Rai Ansar Cell number. When I made him a call he told me that he was busy at the moment and he would call himself, but till today I have not received his call. The purpose here for mentioning this fact is to put some light on the strategy. It seems that we have put our all eggs in one basket; we are relying on A.K dogar; some of us have also contributed valuable amount; still all in vain.

So far I have made text messages to all senators in office, PML-N office bearers and other influential political personalities. To my surprise I have received a welcoming and encouraging response. for example Khawaja Asif replied that as soon as the govt takes office, he will certainly raise the issue. Mr. Lashkari Raisani made me a call on my text message and asked me to tell the issue in detail, so I did.

Similarly, in Karachi, my own city, I have approached local office bearers of PML-N. In few days I am going to meet them. I have also faxed the issue to Mr. Ishaq Dar.

They are willing to take notice. What we have to do is to remain in touch with them.

Now lets come to Mr. A.k Dogar again. I am arranging his cell number, not his brother's or assistant's, in fact I have his office number which is on mall road Lahore. In coming days I will call there and inquire whether he was hired or the status of petition, if any.

My friends, approaching Parliamentarians, establishment division, and senators doesn't require money. It requires patience and consistent efforts.

Instead of blindly giving money anyone from Karachi can contact me at my cell number, mentioned in my profile, so that he could accompany me during visiting such personalities and even discussing the matter with lawyers.

Furthermore, any person can be volunteer for initiating, coordinating and step by step implementation of plans by all members so that the strategy could be moved in right direction.

Also another important fact. Those people who are trying for getting approved Css age relaxation up to 33 or 35 years are nurturing false hopes. It is my point of view based on discussion with the mentioned personalities and even it seem illogical too. If age limit extension is granted, it will be restricted to 30 years only.

28 years for a two years graduate and 30 years for 16 years of education or masters.

We must be realistic. In my opinion, Peshawar high court disposed off the petition on the same logic as 33 or 35 years of age limit was warranted in it.

Asking for age limit extension to 30 years is logical, ethical and a doable task.

Please join for revitalizing the task.

Karachiets, facing the same issue kindly contact me, lead me and achieve this task through combined efforts without asking for funds.

Listen xplodec! you are doing a great job by contacting those high UPS but there is a flaw in your efforts. Most of the victims of CSS age limit on this forum have crossed 30. Once we were of your age and we too strived for extending the age limit to 30 years but time proved us wrong and now we crossed 30. If you keep struggling in the same vein you too might meet the same fate. Increasing age limit to 33 and 35 is as difficult as it is for 30.
You have seen how the general elections were rigged, journalists bought, the whole law and order apparatus hired, billions of corruption. Chief election commissioner and our caretaker prime minister are in their late 70s and still the age limit was not considered for them. Chief of army staff was given 3 years extension at the time of his retirement and man you too think of us old enough to be ineligible for the CSS exam?Imran Khan considers those who have attained 40 years as youth.
Do don't say that asking for 33 or 35 is illogical and unethical. CSS is a national exam and so we should be allowed to avail it without age discrimination. The high UPS you talk to themselves are in 50s and 60s. Ishaq dar can become finance minister at this age and Nawaz shareef a prime minister and we cannot even become a mere csp at the age of 33? Isn't that illogical and unethical?
I want you to ask for at least 5 years general age relaxation or even 35 so that they can appear who couldn't appear earlier when they were 30 due to Musharraf and later zardari government. Increasing age limit up to 33/35 won't matter for those politicians you mentioned because they are only interested in ruling us, they only think in terms of power and wealth. They are not interested in the well being of Pakistan.
Raising age limit won't cost them anything rather it will improve bureaucracy because highly qualified candidates will get a chance to take the exam.
Imagine if you were 31 or 33 by now, would you still ask for 30 years? We lose the grace when we just think for our own selves. Asif, Omar, last hope, Raees, Rai ansar and me have cruised 30 already. So if you will only campaign for 30 then you lose us and many others.
Long ago age limit was 35 years. In developed nations there is no age limit for taking exams to serve your nation. That is why they have progressed by eliminating the race, colour, creed, sex, age and class discrimination. So be bold and confident in asking for extended age limit.
Peshawar high court didn't reject the petition due to 30 33 or 35. The CJ Peshawar was simply not authorized to change the age limit and as I searched him in google he was appointed by zardari and belongs to his party and that is why he didn't want to offend his boss.
For all other federal jobs the age limit is 35 except for the jobs gotten through CSS. The 35 age limit for those jobs including IB, FIA, ISI etc is fine with those politicians and unfair for CSS? That is discrimination on the federal level.
PML N is ready to do everything for the youth so stop the tsunami of change of Imran Khan so they won't mind extending CSS age limit up to any level if once they decide to extend it, then 30 or 33 won't matter for their pen.
Kindly think over it. I call on Asif, Omar and other members like deadly doctor to give their comments about this issue.
Ak Dogar demanded for 5 years age relaxation in his first LHC hearing. He was not shy of demanding it. If it were illogical or unethical then he would have objected to it in the first place. Think! And don't betray our sentiments

My dear friend court business doesn't works on emotions, but arguments. Establishment division is strictly against such huge age limit extension. It doesn't matter which government is in office, the same file has to move from a section officer to the secretary and then to the PM.

CSS is a competitive examination which cannot be equated with ordinary ones (Federal and Provincial) in which up to 35 years of general age relaxation is granted. A country whose major portion of population lies in the 20 - 30 years of age bracket cannot offer 35 years age relaxation limit on the pretext that army chief and other key figures are over aged or they have granted special treatment. If this is the case why not every bureaucrat reaching at his or her retirement age files petition for tenure extension on the pretext of mentioned facts.

We have to encounter duplicity of life at every stage and this is the one. May be I am wrong in putting up these arguments, still they are based on discussion and advise of some friends in the establishment division.

It is also possible that I may experience futility of such endeavors like others as I may cross 30 before materializing my efforts. Still I have high hopes.

Anyhow, anyone from karachi can contact me at my cell number for deciding about meeting and planning.

As I mentioned earlier we need a volunteer leader from any city who could maintain contact record of potential candidates, contact them, assign them tasks and monitor their implementation.

Dear Mystic and other fellows I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I already mentioned that my assessment or opinion might be wrong. We cannot afford neglecting efforts and support of seniors who have been striving hard for many years to turn the tables. I just analyzed the issue from another angle in the light of inside information i.e. opinion of most of the establishment division fellows.

Anyhow, another news is that We need one person who have taken CSS-2013 CE and feel offended by the recent Faisalabad Scandal. Mr. Hassan, a lawyer from Lahore, and his firm is ready to represent the case in Lahore High Court without any fee on the pretext that this scandal have undermined his or her constitutional rights. In this petition, the petitioner only have to sign a letter of attorney and the rest will be handled by Mr. Hassan.

He has told me that chances of success are quite bright. In the case of success, the 2013 candidates will have to retake the exam, not the Faislabad center only.

A CE-2013 Faisalabad candidate is necessary but not mandatory. If anyone from anywhere in Pakistan feels he or she can become petitioner in this regard, kindly contact me.

As far as the age relaxation matter is concerned, one candidate told me in the morning that Mr. Rai Ansar told him that the age relaxation case hearing is fixed on 23rd May in Lahore High Cort. When He checked it through LHC website he didn't find any hearing scheduled on this date. He again contacted Mr. Ansar and he replied that he will inquire into the matter.

I am waiting for a person from Karachi to accompany me and revitalizing the task.

I too have contacted the most senior member FPSC and he said that they had no issue with the age limit put forth by the govt. He said only prime minister was authorized to set the age limit according to his discretion and that FPSC or establishment had no right or say in to object to any age limit enforced by the premiere. Bhagwandas had already told the establishment and Zardari that the commission was facing DEFICIENCY in FINDING SUITABLE candidates for the posts.
As you said CSS is a competitive exam, if it is really a competitive exam then candidates should be allowed to compete without age discrimination and then we will see who wins the competition. But it is a pseudo competitive exam in which few candidates take part, keeping in view hundreds of thousands of candidates passing out each year from countless universities. CSS quota system, outdated syllabus and the recent paper scandal are among those many loopholes through which the incompetent candidates get a chance to clear this exam. And don't say that courts work on law. Courts too work on money. Give 10 lacs to Naeem Bukhari and CSS age limit will become 35 without any doubt. Corrupt judges, politicians, officers have sold Pakistan. Chief justice was taking sou moto notices every day but now after massive rigging he is quiet like a mouse. You know why? Because he is a spoon of Nawaz shareef, he never took any notice of their corruptions. He just targeted zardari because ppp was against his reinstatement initially. So man get to know that courts work on emotions and money not law.
If Ak appears in LHC then you will know the opinion of your establishment contacts. I mean Ak Dogar can win the case against the opinions of those who discouraged you from asking for an extended age limit. All we need is money to pay to a good lawyer and.

If sitting in London Altaf Hussain can control law and order in Karachi, all people in Karachi regardless of age discrimination then we too can take CSS up to 33 years at least.
That's right Mustafa kamal should be contacted and I'm sure he will give a very positive response. We will join mqm if pml N and ppp cannot give is what mqm can. Deliver my message to him.

@ xplodec

Excellent job brother. You have just hit the nail right. At the moment, PMLN is ready to take on any task that could get it closer to the youth. New government will set up before 1 June 2013 and this matter should ideally be presented to key elected personnel in next two weeks. It could become the first milestone of the new government in reversing a dictator's decision and PMLN would be proud of it.

All is needed is to guage up the efforts now.

Hoping for the best.

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@ mystic: yes, i would be eligible.

But, there are many candidates struggling for it who could not avail 2014 if given 30 years age limit. I would support 33 years relaxation and it is not an impossible task.

@ All

Does anyone has a comprehensive document on age relaxation issue? I remember, we had one. Cannot recall at the moment.

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Please someone from Karachi immediately contact me. We have to visit newspaper offices, Politicians, Karachi based MQM and PPPP senators, Lawyers including MQM senator Farough Naseem.

This is high time to struck. All members must start writing to editors of newspapers, english and urdu both.

Must quote the facts mentioned in this news article.

http://www.cssforum.com.pk/css-dates...age-limit.html

I wonder without practical steps these discussions would be

'Nashistand,,,,Guftand.....Barkhastand........

Dear fellows read this document. It seems that some senators were serious in raising age limit in general not css in particular. Once again it is high time to raise this issue with politicians.

http://www.senate.gov.pk/uploads/doc...047377_823.pdf

Mr naeem bokhari demands 1 million rupees for pleading case lahore in high court n guarantees for case decision prior to CSS 2014. Atleast 100 people required to contribute 10000 rupees. Who will take the lead n whole responsibility. After rai ansar behavior, its very hard to trust anyone for collecting money n taking whole responsibility, managing all affairs

03008554242 is the number of mr sheikh rasheed, he has recently won the election , if he can raise our voice it can b helpful