I agree with your view point, also I do request to please not compare The Great Bhutto with such a miritricious milItary ruler.

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NOTE: I HAVE USED THE WORD MIRITRICIOUS AS ASSIGNED BY WASHINGTON POST TO FLOYDIAN'S GENERAL ATA TURK; ALSO I AM STILL WAITING FOR FLOYDIAN'S COMMENTS ON http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/d...ory-not-2.html

First, let me admit that I enjoy heated but useful discussions with my friends on this forum. I respect other members and their opinions.

Shallow, now you are just wandering like a nomad. First you raised the issue of Great General's Chak Shahzad residency and accused him of acquiring it illegally. Failing to prove such bogus allegation you then jumped to one hundred one (101) other issues. If you are a supporter or worker of Zardari's PPP (which seems quite obvious) then we really cannot have an analytical, critical and unbiased discussion.

Secondly, Bhutto is responsible for East Pakistan debacle. He never kissed the gallows rather he shivered, cried, screamed and experienced unstoppable convulsions while being escorted to the gallows. He was just a charismatic leader and an outstanding orator. And Zia was the worst thing happened to Army and this country. Bhutto is thousand times preferable over Zia but not over Musharraf. Nothing less and nothing more...

cheers,
floydian

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@Floydian.

You are wrong on both counts; i am neither a worker nor a supporter of PPP. I am the supporter of truth. I would support anyone who is on the right side. If Bhutto was responsible for East Pakistan crisis, then what was Yahya Khan doing? He was busy amusing himself. Zia eliminated Bhutto physically but he never dies but he is still alive.
" Zinda hai Bhutto zinda hai." You see Bhutto gave the constitution which is still intact, while Zia tampered the constitution and now the very name of Zia has been erased from the constitution. Musharraf was so brave that he could not face the Pakistani courts. He sold daughter of Pakistan and bought residence in U.K. Musharraf was the most corrupt person in Pakistan's history.

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May Allah bless you with wise and analytical approach ! Aameen

You are requested to consider your words as you went far ahead in praise of a military ruler.

I challenge your statement and suggest you to go through the history so that you may able to have a logical and factual debate.

A lame logic, just words of illusion. Come up with some factual data instead of making your own philosophy.

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Agreed

Gairat hay bari cheez jahan-e-tag-o-do mein
Pehnati hay Darwesh ko Taj-e-Sar-e-Dara


I waited for you a lot on specific thread of Musharraf but you never come there.

You know, why ??

Logic reveals the conclusion that you cannot defend him on factual grounds. People like you are just requested to act upon your own sayings "Call spade a spade".

I will wait for you on Musharraf's thread as he is irrelevant thing so I can't comment here regarding him.

Regards

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dear frnds so i have read all of ur comments on the thread started in discussion. every one beats his own drums bt it should be noted that wht favours our country???? Is it in favour of our country??????? No one is good or bad...

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i was avoiding to participate in this political disussion,becuse every body had his own political views,but i must say one thing you people are accustomed to oppose Mr Zardari..and this is a dangerous thing..he is much better than the past presidents...&18th amendment is the landmark achievement of PPP'government...nobody can and should deny this reality...
Maha Khan

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"i was avoiding to participate in this political disussion,becuse every body had his own political views..."

Maha Khan, so as I. But you are totaly biased in supporting Mr. President.

Have you gone through the text of 18th amendment ? Just start reading it, what is the need to amend Section 17? and what is the need to replace this sub-section "4; [Provided that no political party shall promote sectarian, ethnic, regional hatred or animosity, or be titled or constituted as a militant group of section.].. !!!

Any how, I am not a legal expert neither you are. but as far as facts are concerned, its very easy to determine what was the price of common commodities two -three years back and now? the price of electricity? rate of inflation? un-employment ratio? our foreign debt? just figure them out and see who is better.. sugar 30 to 60 +, petrol 50 to 70, minimum per unit of electricity from 1. to 3 +, wheat flour from 17-18 per k.g to 30 +, foreign debt from 38 $billion to 50 + and list goes on...

my friends tx_ned and shallowwater have rightly said about the political situation. but where is the ideology of bhutto? he is dead man and sleeping in his grave alongwith his beloved daughter! why to mislead people on their slogans? these people dont have an iota of sagacity and acumen which they had! come on tell me just a single person equal to the sagacity of Z.A. or even to his daughter ? this could have been a good opportunity had she been alived because she had come with a mature and sagacious mind to do something for the country but some Mr X Y Z showed her altar.

what happened in two rules of BB in 1990s? she was compelled to face failure and many Mr X Y Z made her a failure. this time she came with a new mindset for doing something positive and she kept all those Mr. X Y Z away from the political field because she was aware of their capabilities. what happend after her demise? those X Y Z are in running machinery fellows. ! Amin Fahim was anti but what happend, he got, inter alia, a senior ministership and made his daughter a diplomat ruling out all the principles of induction of a diplomat.

and please just think that benazir was not at all anti to musharaf, had she alive musharaf would have been having good reputation, they had brokered agreements. musharaf allowed her arrival in the country but he was not all all invovled in her kilings... we are very eager and enthusiastic for opening of cases of Z. A Bhutto but dear what the hell to his daughter? even not a single FIR has been registered so far. Y?

Musharaf did many wrongs, but how he came in power? we are just fools who forget badness of our beloved Nawaz saab. what he had done ? he sent President home, made hell with the supreme court building and sent the thn chief justice home, sent army chief home and was sending another chief not only to home but also to heavens. ! we just brag for the bad things of the dictators but forgets our politicians, they are equally bad.. nawaz saab had fled the country and now ruling that he didnt bow his head, he not only bowed but kissed the soil to get safe passage abroad... is'nt it??

the manager has rightly said that we are not deliberating anything positive for 18th amendment but just trying to force eachothers views to other, this is bad or good.. be brave to confess that all these are bad in this stable and are worse for the goodness of our nation and country.. !

I request moderators kindly to delete all extra posts in this thread which are irrelevant to the 18th amendment issue, it can be discussed in clause by clause and article by article manner but it will be beyond our thinking level because of highly technical and equally cleverly complex nature... please also delete my all posts from this thread because they are irrelevant to the subject..

and please try to open up your minds and think pragmatically...

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18th amendment is going to be part of the constitution through representatives of the people. Obviously constitution will be amended through overwhelming majority vote so it means majority of the people want to abolish the Pervez Musharaf’s amendments and revive the Constitution of 1973. Criticism against constitutional amendments which is according to the aspirations of representatives of the people is clearly negations of democracy.

Positive criticism is an important characteristic of democracy but negation and pessimists views against the rule of the people is never tolerated in real democratic nations. Let the democracy flourish smoothly. Government don’t possess the Alah Din’s Lamp, we have to wait for the fruits to enjoy. There are numerous factors which hindered the development of our country and one of the most heinous one is frequent military interventions.

I am not an economist but current situation of poor people is due to the adhoc economic policies of Musharaf regime. His subsidies on commodities temporarily prevented the price hike for the time being which later on resulted in dreadful price hike and making the life of poor worst.

People should be free to rule and elect their representatives. Even an ignorant now about politics in a sense of price hike and bad governance. They will know the honor of vote when there is uninterrupted democracy. Real democracy will foil international influence and their designs in Pakistan. Why the people don’t digest democracy and legitimate government? Are we habitual of autocratic and tyrannical rule or we are literate ignorant?

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http://www.cssforum.com.pk/general/n...amendment.html

do look at this analysis by hamid mir

18th amendment has funny or confusing statements.i am not an expert but i do not know what it is ?my aim is not to start a debate. but seriously some statements are hilarious e.g
"According to the new version of Article 63(h), now a person shall be disqualified from being elected member of parliament if “he has been, on conviction for any offence involving moral turpitude, sentenced to imprisonment for a term of not less than two years, unless a period of five years has lapsed since his release”."


2 years record of imprisonment is enough.such a person is going to rule us while a constable/peon/worker cannot get job in govt if he has a record
and five years to pass really good
my idea is not to mock it but i cannot understand why a convicted person ?
i have previously said and i repeat
" this has been a great achievement on ppp and zardari's part but it is not going to bring anything new or good to people. it will only make room and comforts for upper class and politicians"

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Obviously 18th amendment will not change the fate of Pakistanis within 1 week. It will take a lot of time as the government has to do a lot. But the good thing is that President has himself said that now the government will address the peoples problems. So it is good to see that the president is aware of what is needed to be done. I think the speech by the president was well.timed and was just what people wanted to hear from him.

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