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Do not be swayed by emotions.I am neither on Zia's side,nor do I belong to Bhutto party.What I have written is truth,not defamation.And respectfully do I say,that supporters of Zia's tyrannical regime are indulging in a willful distortion of fact.No leader could come up to expectations after Zia;but wrongdoings of his successors do not become an excuse for his monstrous blunders.But no leader after and before him exploited religion so shamelessly to further his own nefarious designs,and no leader after him shook the foundations of our society so terribly.Afghan war was not a Jihad;it was a proxy war fought by Mullah and Military for their own advantage,not for Pakistan.Federation was weekend.The beasts of sectarianism and religious hatred and obscurantism were let loose on the nation.Cartels and Mafia dons were unchained.While a selected few got immense riches out of the war,the country sank in deep vale of tears,turmoil and totalitarianism.Did you ever hear the very names of religious killings,Kalashnikov or heroin prior to zia's rule.

His decade was the decade of darkness,decadence,depredation,devastation and degeneration.This country is still buried deep under the avalanche of Zia's misrule and mismanagement.
What wrong have I done if I have presented my point of view in mild and respectful language ? And my existence has been terribly shaken to see learned people,not students of monasteries, defending a whimsical and capricious despot.Where are those enlightened songs of egalitarianism,freedom of expression and thought,democracy ?
We were given wrong perception about Zia era, now we realise what his mission actually was. Dictatorship has to be barbaric, obviously if tyranny would not be there then who would fear the dictator. Those people who were afraid of Zia are now buying Petrol at 100 Rupees. I would present Guard of Honor to anyone who could be nearer to Zia, who can come and sort out this mess.
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Your are now trying to portray as if the criticizers of Zia are the criticizers of Quranic injunctions.God Forbids.Zia used flogging to spread terror amongst the masses.While such punishments are aimed at purging the society of evil,zia used them to cleanse society of his opponents.And mind you,that Islam makes its mandatory that such punishments can only be imposed after fulfilling certain pre-requisites and preconditions .You cannot flog,behead or chop off the hands of any person without fulfilling those conditions.
Zia is being condemned as a man who bred crisis rather intricate and complex webs of crisis.
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Your are now trying to portray as if the criticizers of Zia are the criticizers of Quranic injunctions.God Forbids.Zia used flogging to spread terror amongst the masses.While such punishments are aimed at purging the society of evil,zia used them to cleanse society of his opponents.And mind you,that Islam makes its mandatory that such punishments can only be imposed after fulfilling certain pre-requisites and preconditions .You cannot flog,behead or chop off the hands of any person with fulfilling those conditions.
Zia is being condemned as a man who bred crisis.
Well Zia inflicted those punishments in the light of Quranic injunctions. Federal Shariat court was there, Supreme court was there. People could move the courts had they been dissatisfied with these punishments. Obviously such punishments are meant to create terror and fear in the hearts of people so that they do not commit any such crimes again. Such punishments are an effective deterrent.
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Well Zia inflicted those punishments in the light of Quranic injunctions. Federal Shariat court was there, Supreme court was there. People could move the courts had they been dissatisfied with these punishments. Obviously such punishments are meant to create terror and fear in the hearts of people so that they do not commit any such crimes again. Such punishments are an effective deterrent.
Move the courts? Which courts ? The same courts which were manipulated by Gen.Zia and manned by people like Maulvi Mushtaq and Anwar ul HAq.You need to read a book penned by Gen.K.M.Arif who was a comrade and confidant of Zia.The name of book is "Asli Ziaulhaq"
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. Federal Shariat court was there, Supreme court was there. People could move the courts had they been dissatisfied with these punishments.
Sir, Zia forced the SC to declare all his actions as dictator, including the coup that removed Bhutto, legal. Do you really believe that the courts were independent?

BTW, I wasn't born during the Zia era; I was born in 1993

Also, Zia was very happy to punish the commoners, but when it came to his own generals, all Islamic injunctions went out the window. Haven't you ever wondered how Humayun Akhtar and co became so rich?
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Well Zia inflicted those punishments in the light of Quranic injunctions. Federal Shariat court was there, Supreme court was there. People could move the courts had they been dissatisfied with these punishments. Obviously such punishments are meant to create terror and fear in the hearts of people so that they do not commit any such crimes again. Such punishments are an effective deterrent.
dear i think you have to read more. give any reason of judical murder of Z.a Bhutto? and please don't compare this like quranic injuction............
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Well fellows without reading above comments: what i believe is Zia's long term designs for the country were great. whatever so-called MESS he started(like taliban, Jhad, annexation of pakistan to afghanistan and delhi), he had a great end of it in his mind...i wish he could stay for 10 more years. pakistan's map would be different...The mess actually it became when he died an unnatural death or murder, which made fuss of his plans and all negative potential aspects of plan which need a dictator to press-on sprang like hell...i.e narcotics and weapons...and seriously narcotics were a great way to get dollars from west and to cripple western society if to think from a strategic point of view...any ways...time passed and wecouldnt reap the benefits for which we fought 10 year war...
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Hassan, i would truly appreciate, if you would try avoiding confusing of two terms i.e Jihad and terrorism!

To you, fighting against the enemy is terrorism. To you, freedom fighters are terrorist. To you, fighting against america is terrorism. If, america attack any country, you appreciate it. if someone else tries to attack imperialist country, you condemn it.

One would consider it double standards.

Brother, the chickens have come home to roost and the same taliban whom Zia nurtured are now murdering Pakistanis everyday. They may be freedom fighters, but they have shown clearly through their actions that they are our enemies.
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. whatever so-called MESS he started(like taliban, Jhad, annexation of pakistan to afghanistan and delhi), he had a great end of it in his mind..
Annexation of Delhi? Are you living in dreamland sir?

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Pakistan should concentrate on securing areas it already holds instead of dreaming about annexing other countries.

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In the effort to cripple western society, we ended up crippling our own.

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any ways...time passed and wecouldnt reap the benefits for which we fought 10 year war...
As you sow, so shall you reap. And sure as hell we are "reaping the benefits"...
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Brother, the chickens have come home to roost and the same taliban whom Zia nurtured are now murdering Pakistanis everyday. They may be freedom fighters, but they have shown clearly through their actions that they are our enemies.
Hassan! TTP is an American tool to create problem in pakistan. I wish you could read the dynamics of pak-Afghan politics. ISI is still supporting Taliban in Afghan because America supported "western union" mghrbi ittehad, the opponents of taliban when they ousted taliban. so Taliban are still loyal to pak integrity. Dont you think that after NATO suplies halted, more than 5 major attacks have been done by TTP, and 80 Army personnel killed or beheaded...its a fact like open book...its just u dont know yet. TTP is a tool by americans to pressurise us on global forum that UNREST still exists in Pak....otherwise how come TTP people attack our FC and Army so easily, entering from Afghan border and then returning back towards Afghanistan so easily???
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