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guys !!
I need some advice.
I am planning to appear in CE-2014 Let suppose I am selected in NAB for AD position. do you think I should go for it considering it will not effect my preparation for CE? I mean i know it will be hard
Joining of NAB will surely affect your preparation for CSS exams, but i will advise to join the NAB and do preparation with job....

Because CSS is more of gambling to one career, its upon your luck whether you qualify with little preparation and fail even after a lot of hard work......

I am telling this thing from my experience as I have appeared for CSS exams twice and one time i get failed and next time even after qualifying i was not allocated because of huge competition in Punjab and limited seats.....

And i have left a lot of good opportunities just for the preparation of CSS.... whereas i have interacted many of the candidates of CSS who did there preparation with job and they qualified.....

So i will advised to all that not to miss the opportunity of NAB or any other just because one is considering to prepare for CSS......
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guys !!
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I am planning to appear in CE-2014 Let suppose I am selected in NAB for AD position. do you think I should go for it considering it will not effect my preparation for CE? I mean i know it will be hard
CSS clearance is definitely a luck. People have different experiences. Mine is a little different too. I got the job in 17 and forgot the competitive examination due to job requirements, despite I loved to appear once in a lifetime even without preparation. That depends upon you, how you spare time for such examination. Following post might be helpful for you.

1- If you want an opinion based upon rules and regulations than you won't be permitted to appear in CSS exam till the completion of training. There should be a service bond devised by NAB for two to three years service after training. Once you completed the service period, you will be eligible to apply for NOC/departmental permission. If you want NOC during bond period or in case of quitting the job, you will submit in writing that you'll payback all the expenditures incurred on your training including other expenses. In simple words, forget NOC. Bypassing above will put you up into litigation or departmental action.

2- Rules and regulations for powerful people are much more flexible and different in Pakistan. The term powerful contains many characteristics. e.g Strong financial background, Strong nerves, Strong political, bureaucratic or personal relations etc. One should have a few qualities to come into above mentioned category. People of that kind join the organization, become absent or avail leave for one or another reason, appear in css exam, throw out the resignation and disappear. They use their skills i.e. power to tackle the issues.
Now, it is up to you. I mean you have to decide before taking any decision.
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There are two solutions for your problem.
1- If you want an opinion based upon rules and regulations than you won't be permitted to appear in CSS exam till the completion of training. There should be a service bond devised by NAB for two to three years service after training. Once you completed the service period, you will be eligible to apply for NOC/departmental permission. If you want NOC during bond period or in case of quitting the job, you will submit in writing that you'll payback all the expenditures incurred on your training including other expenses. In simple words, forget NOC. Bypassing above will put you up into litigation or departmental action.

2- Rules and regulations for powerful people are much more flexible and different in Pakistan. The term powerful contains many characteristics. e.g Strong financial background, Strong nerves, Strong political, bureaucratic or personal relations etc. One should have a few qualities to come into above mentioned category. People of that kind join the organization, become absent or avail leave for one or another reason, appear in css exam, throw out the resignation and disappear. They use their skills i.e. power to tackle the issues.
Now, it is up to you. I mean you have to decide, what you are, before taking any decision.
Remember one thing.
A bird in hand.........................can make your stomach filled.
thanks for your kind reply. I have already resigned from a govt job of bps 11 for this css struggle as that organization didn't entertain my leave application. But NAB doesn't seem like that organization. There wasn't any job satisfaction, so I quit the job easily, and in NAB things will be different I think.
By the way if we apply for a job before we are part of NAB, then what will be the case with NOC?
Thanks in advance.
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thanks for your kind reply. I have already resigned from a govt job of bps 11 for this css struggle as that organization didn't entertain my leave application. But NAB doesn't seem like that organization. There wasn't any job satisfaction, so I quit the job easily, and in NAB things will be different I think.
By the way if we apply for a job before we are part of NAB, then what will be the case with NOC?
Thanks in advance.
I am not discouraging any one and this might be wrong (I hope). You have to disclose it to NAB that you have applied for css examination and you need NOC. If you do not disclose it, NAB may not relieve you for appearing in exam or even for joining the allocated department after clearance of exam. NAB is definitely like your previous organization even a bit more worst as it is military controlled (so called). There at NAB, you'll receive orders of authority's peon twice or thrice a week atleast that no one will leave today till further orders and you will find no one leaving the premises even if you received that message on 12th working hour. Every govt: organization always discourage job hunting and resist long leaves no matter if it is for studies or otherwise. Power rules as mentioned in previous post are somewhat different as we are living in the world where power means every thing and rules are meant to be broken. Most of the People find job satisfaction after 11th continuous working hour and a few desperately try to stick up with 8 hours working and face raging bull.
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I am not discouraging any one and this might be wrong (I hope). You have to disclose it to NAB that you have applied for css examination and you need NOC. If you do not disclose it, NAB may not relieve you for appearing in exam or even for joining the allocated department after clearance of exam. NAB is definitely like your previous organization even a bit more worst as it is military controlled (so called). There at NAB, you'll receive orders of authority's peon twice or thrice a week atleast that no one will leave today till further orders and you will find no one leaving the premises even if you received that message on 12th working hour. Every govt: organization always discourage job hunting and resist long leaves no matter if it is for studies or otherwise. Power rules as mentioned in previous post are somewhat different as we are living in the world where power means every thing and rules are meant to be broken. Most of the People find job satisfaction after 11th continuous working hour and a few desperately try to stick up with 8 hours working and face raging bull.
Nice discussion with you bro. You seems to be a mature person. Thanks for your kind suggestions.

One thing more, pray for me so that I may get to PAS as it is my final destination.
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Nice discussion with you bro. You seems to be a mature person. Thanks for your kind suggestions.

One thing more, pray for me so that I may get to PAS as it is my final destination.
AOA, Wasiq brother hope you are fine. What do you mean by PAS?
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AOA, Wasiq brother hope you are fine. What do you mean by PAS?
w.salam.me fine alhmduliAllah. What about you.
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A FEW WORDS: The National Accountability Commission Bill 2012 —Dr Qaisar Rashid

In the proposed NACB 2012, there are a few areas where the would-be NAC can be considered an improvement over NAB


The National Accountability Ordinance (NAO) functional currently was promulgated by General Pervaiz Musharraf and it led to the constitution of the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) in 1999. Now, the incumbent government has been preparing a National Accountability Commission Bill (NACB) of 2012 to transform NAB into the National Accountability Commission (NAC). The Bill is due to be tabled in the National Assembly to seek a simple majority vote before it becomes an Act.
In the proposed NACB 2012, there are a few areas where the would-be NAC can be considered an improvement over NAB. First, it lays down a broad consultation mechanism to seek the consent of the leader of the opposition to nominate the Chairman of the NAC and of the Chief Justice of the High Court concerned to nominate a judge for the accountability court. Secondly, it makes the provision mandatory that the chairman should be a retired judge of the Supreme Court (SC) or a grade-22 federal government officer. Thirdly, both judges and army generals will also be held accountable for their misdeeds. Fourthly, a National Accountability Investigation Agency (NAIA) will be formed to investigate any alleged affair.
In the proposed NACB 2012, there are however several areas where the would-be NAC cannot be considered an improvement over NAB. First, once appointed the chairman of the NAC will be vulnerable to removal (in the absence of any justifiable reason) at any time before the completion of his four-year tenure. The question is, why will the disgrace earned by arbitrary (premature) removal of a chairman not deter many honourable judges from becoming the chairman of the NAC? Why is it necessary to curtail the liberty of the chairman to work independent of any external pressure? Why is a dependent, meek and cowed chairman required?
Second, the powers of the chairman to seek mutual legal assistance (where the jurisdiction is foreign) will be reduced. The question is, will Pakistan also offer the same reduced reciprocal legal assistance to other countries? Why does the incumbent government want the scope of mutual legal assistance reduced unilaterally? Why should those Pakistanis who siphoned off the wealth of this country and escaped abroad not be apprehended and the booty recovered?
Third, the powers of the chairman to procure banking information about an alleged person will be made subject to prior permission granted by a court. The question is, why should the chairman not be independent to procure any banking information without letting the accused know that an investigation is being carried out against him? Why is it important to put in place a mechanism to alert an accused person of any sort of investigation going on against him?
Fourth, the scope of the NAC will be limited only to public office holders (politicians or government servants) while the people falling under the definition of ‘other persons’ will be spared. One may argue that by shrinking this scope, the NAC will be more focused and less overburdened, but then the question is how many front men used by the corrupt public office holders are also pubic office holders? What is the mechanism for apprehending the front men to unearth the trail leading to the actual face indulging in corruption? Taken together, the points of reduction in the powers of the chairman to seek mutual foreign legal assistance and reduction in the scope of the NAC only to public office holders will lead to the front man of any corrupt public office holder being apprehended neither in this country nor abroad. Similarly, his bank accounts cannot be checked without alerting him. Does it portend good for the financial and moral health of society? Moreover, the culprits hoodwinking the public at large will also be exempted by the words ‘other persons’. In this regard, the question is, why should any wrongdoer or a company chiselling people out of their money on one pretext or another get off scot-free?
Fifth, the powers of the investigation agency (NAIA) will be short of arresting a public office holder if he is cooperating with the NAIA even if there is available solid evidence of corruption against him. The message is clear: indulge in corruption but cooperate with the NAIA to avoid arrest if the scam is exposed; in the meantime, flee from the country, save your skin and enjoy the fruits of the booty. The question is, why should the cooperation of a corrupt public office holder be a guarantee against his arrest? Why should not he fall from grace if he is corrupt? Why should the arrest not act as a deterrent against corruption? If such immunity is offered to a corrupt public office holder, what is the rationale of having any anti-corruption body at all?
Sixth, the accountability courts of the NAC will not punish a culprit for more than seven years imprisonment (instead of 14 years) in case corruption is proved against him and the looted money is not recovered. The question is, in such a scenario, should the duration of punishment be decreased or increased? For such a hardened criminal, why not the limit be extended to 20 years?
Seventh, the accountability courts of the NAC will not punish a culprit at all in case corruption is proved against him if he returns the looted money before the judgement of the court or his plea bargain is accepted by the NAC. The question is, why should there be a soft corner for a corrupt public office holder?
Eighth, there are several other questions to be asked. Why should any act of corruption be condoned under the subterfuge of an ‘act done in good faith’? Why does the ‘benami’ accounts and property of a culprit not fall in the ambit of the NAC? Why should career security not be provided to the NAC officials to make them work wholeheartedly?
The incumbent government should think again whether it intends to encourage or discourage corruption in society.

The writer is a freelance columnist and can be reached at qaisarrashid@yahoo.com

That was published in Daily times newspaper today.
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In the proposed NACB 2012, there are a few areas where the would-be NAC can be considered an improvement over NAB


The National Accountability Ordinance (NAO) functional currently was promulgated by General Pervaiz Musharraf and it led to the constitution of the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) in 1999. Now, the incumbent government has been preparing a National Accountability Commission Bill (NACB) of 2012 to transform NAB into the National Accountability Commission (NAC). The Bill is due to be tabled in the National Assembly to seek a simple majority vote before it becomes an Act.
In the proposed NACB 2012, there are a few areas where the would-be NAC can be considered an improvement over NAB. First, it lays down a broad consultation mechanism to seek the consent of the leader of the opposition to nominate the Chairman of the NAC and of the Chief Justice of the High Court concerned to nominate a judge for the accountability court. Secondly, it makes the provision mandatory that the chairman should be a retired judge of the Supreme Court (SC) or a grade-22 federal government officer. Thirdly, both judges and army generals will also be held accountable for their misdeeds. Fourthly, a National Accountability Investigation Agency (NAIA) will be formed to investigate any alleged affair.
In the proposed NACB 2012, there are however several areas where the would-be NAC cannot be considered an improvement over NAB. First, once appointed the chairman of the NAC will be vulnerable to removal (in the absence of any justifiable reason) at any time before the completion of his four-year tenure. The question is, why will the disgrace earned by arbitrary (premature) removal of a chairman not deter many honourable judges from becoming the chairman of the NAC? Why is it necessary to curtail the liberty of the chairman to work independent of any external pressure? Why is a dependent, meek and cowed chairman required?
Second, the powers of the chairman to seek mutual legal assistance (where the jurisdiction is foreign) will be reduced. The question is, will Pakistan also offer the same reduced reciprocal legal assistance to other countries? Why does the incumbent government want the scope of mutual legal assistance reduced unilaterally? Why should those Pakistanis who siphoned off the wealth of this country and escaped abroad not be apprehended and the booty recovered?
Third, the powers of the chairman to procure banking information about an alleged person will be made subject to prior permission granted by a court. The question is, why should the chairman not be independent to procure any banking information without letting the accused know that an investigation is being carried out against him? Why is it important to put in place a mechanism to alert an accused person of any sort of investigation going on against him?
Fourth, the scope of the NAC will be limited only to public office holders (politicians or government servants) while the people falling under the definition of ‘other persons’ will be spared. One may argue that by shrinking this scope, the NAC will be more focused and less overburdened, but then the question is how many front men used by the corrupt public office holders are also pubic office holders? What is the mechanism for apprehending the front men to unearth the trail leading to the actual face indulging in corruption? Taken together, the points of reduction in the powers of the chairman to seek mutual foreign legal assistance and reduction in the scope of the NAC only to public office holders will lead to the front man of any corrupt public office holder being apprehended neither in this country nor abroad. Similarly, his bank accounts cannot be checked without alerting him. Does it portend good for the financial and moral health of society? Moreover, the culprits hoodwinking the public at large will also be exempted by the words ‘other persons’. In this regard, the question is, why should any wrongdoer or a company chiselling people out of their money on one pretext or another get off scot-free?
Fifth, the powers of the investigation agency (NAIA) will be short of arresting a public office holder if he is cooperating with the NAIA even if there is available solid evidence of corruption against him. The message is clear: indulge in corruption but cooperate with the NAIA to avoid arrest if the scam is exposed; in the meantime, flee from the country, save your skin and enjoy the fruits of the booty. The question is, why should the cooperation of a corrupt public office holder be a guarantee against his arrest? Why should not he fall from grace if he is corrupt? Why should the arrest not act as a deterrent against corruption? If such immunity is offered to a corrupt public office holder, what is the rationale of having any anti-corruption body at all?
Sixth, the accountability courts of the NAC will not punish a culprit for more than seven years imprisonment (instead of 14 years) in case corruption is proved against him and the looted money is not recovered. The question is, in such a scenario, should the duration of punishment be decreased or increased? For such a hardened criminal, why not the limit be extended to 20 years?
Seventh, the accountability courts of the NAC will not punish a culprit at all in case corruption is proved against him if he returns the looted money before the judgement of the court or his plea bargain is accepted by the NAC. The question is, why should there be a soft corner for a corrupt public office holder?
Eighth, there are several other questions to be asked. Why should any act of corruption be condoned under the subterfuge of an ‘act done in good faith’? Why does the ‘benami’ accounts and property of a culprit not fall in the ambit of the NAC? Why should career security not be provided to the NAC officials to make them work wholeheartedly?
The incumbent government should think again whether it intends to encourage or discourage corruption in society.

The writer is a freelance columnist and can be reached at qaisarrashid@yahoo.com

The writer seems pro-PPP, and trying to legitimise this inappropriate move of the government. He is presenting one side of the coin.
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The writer seems pro-PPP, and trying to legitimise this inappropriate move of the government. He is presenting one side of the coin.
I think he has not read the article or he is little bit week in english as most of the article is criticiaing the NAC while one is blaming the writer a pro ppp.
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