Zia.Ul.Haq missed by Pakistan - Page 14

alihashmatkhoso · #**131** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by shallowwater

Actually i am not saying that Zia was good, i am saying that such kind of person is needed who can come on the screen and get rid of these plunderers. He was a liar, cheat, fraud but for me he was good. Pakistanis dont understand language of love, they need the stick to keep them in line.

this is point dear change we need,, not zia........ good now this is your valid point .......

Hassan02 · #**132** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by shallowwater

Actually i am not saying that Zia was good, i am saying that such kind of person is needed who can come on the screen and get rid of these plunderers. He was a liar, cheat, fraud but for me he was good. Pakistanis dont understand language of love, they need the stick to keep them in line.

Sir the question is: How was he good for Pakistan? Many people on this thread, including myself have pointed out a number of problems created by Zia and you haven't really given a satisfactory answer.

shallowwater · #**133** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by Hassan02

Sir the question is: How was he good for Pakistan? Many people on this thread, including myself have pointed out a number of problems created by Zia and you haven't really given a satisfactory answer.

Dear brother those problems were not created by him. Today there are drugs and heroine in Afghanistan. Zia is growing it today? Drugs are smuggled from Afghanistan into Pakistan. For God sake, drugs were there before zia and after zia as well. Similarly other issues are also not properly addressed by these governments. What if we blame the British rulers for today's problems? I mean we cant make anyone a scapegoat for today's problems.

peacepakistan · #**134** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by mhmmdkashif

What good things, AK47s, RPG7s, Heroine, Chars, Afeem, Gancha and scores of religious and ethnic miscreants, are these good things

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Bhai! do you or any body in your vicinity has a RPG of that time ??? talk sense...be neutral...i acknowledged these problems and neither im on his side. but acknowledge the great strategy he used. read my old comments please. USSR was imminent..he actually used American money to wage the war that's real ground would be Baluchistan(planned by USSR and India i guess with rahul gandhi) if not supported and dumped in Afghanistan...do acknowledge this...and bad things about narcotics and all weapons, this is a collateral damage and these things come along with every attack...by being pro-active he saved pakistan to be real war ground...yes i accept that due to his untimely death, and then mis-management dint allow us to wrap up the war the way it should and it spranged like hell today....Taliban are not only made by Zia, Americans were also involved i guess...nobody is talking that ...everybody is talking Today's American language...hope you will understand

shallowwater · #**135** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by peacepakistan

Bhai! do you or any body in your vicinity has a RPG of that time ??? talk sense...be neutral...i acknowledged these problems and neither im on his side. but acknowledge the great strategy he used. read my old comments please. USSR was imminent..he actually used American money to wage the war that's real ground would be Baluchistan(planned by USSR and India i guess with rahul gandhi) if not supported and dumped in Afghanistan...do acknowledge this...and bad things about narcotics and all weapons, this is a collateral damage and these things come along with every attack...by being pro-active he saved pakistan to be real war ground...yes i accept that due to his untimely death, and then mis-management dint allow us to wrap up the war the way it should and it spranged like hell today....Taliban are not only made by Zia, Americans were also involved i guess...nobody is talking that ...everybody is talking Today's American language...hope you will understand

Exactly this is what i am saying. Zia was a strategist. He used American arms and money to build our army and nuclear program. Soviets were defeated. Pakistan was saved from imperialism.

mhmmdkashif · #**136** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by peacepakistan

Bhai! do you or any body in your vicinity has a RPG of that time ??? talk sense...be neutral...

G Bhai, I am a personal witness to this in our village where people had only axes to fight with each other, I still remember that Police APC on which an RPG was fired for the very first time in local history and everyone was amazed what was that, that was during Zia's era, so please you be neutral and admit facts

. Aaj to pata nahin kitne RPGs hain logun ke pass, magar in kee shruat Zia era se hui thi.

Hassan02 · #**137** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by shallowwater

Dear brother those problems were not created by him. Today there are drugs and heroine in Afghanistan. Zia is growing it today? Drugs are smuggled from Afghanistan into Pakistan. For God sake, drugs were there before zia and after zia as well. Similarly other issues are also not properly addressed by these governments. What if we blame the British rulers for today's problems? I mean we cant make anyone a scapegoat for today's problems.

The drug issue is not the problem. The problem is the Kalashnikov culture Zia started and his strategy of supporting and nurturing militants. The wave of religious extremism and sectarian killings sweeping the nations today is a result of decisions made by Zia.

shallowwater · #**138** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by mhmmdkashif

G Bhai, I am a personal witness to this in our village where people had only axes to fight with each other, I still remember that Police APC on which an RPG was fired, that was during Zia's era, so please you be neutral and admit facts

You must admit the facts. What kind of police is it that cannot even collect the illegal arms and weapons from the people? If RPGs are in a great supply, why doesnt police books those arms dealers?

Hassan02 · #**139** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by shallowwater

You must admit the facts. What kind of police is it that cannot even collect the illegal arms and weapons from the people? If RPGs are in a great supply, why doesnt police books those arms dealers?

Sorry, but now you are being childish. Once the floodgates are opened, its very hard to control things.

mhmmdkashif · #**140** Friday, June 29, 2012

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Originally Posted by shallowwater

You must admit the facts. What kind of police is it that cannot even collect the illegal arms and weapons from the people? If RPGs are in a great supply, why doesnt police books those arms dealers?

, To be honest Sir; I wasn't expecting such a short sighted opinion from you, people who get RPGs become more like a militia or a private army of their own, how can poor politicians or policemen deal with them. So many mafias and cartels of supplying illegal weapons were formed with the blessings of great General Zia, don't be idealist Sir that any coming government would just issue an order and all that would vanish.