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1.Zia built the institution of Presidency, strong president is needed for decision making.

2. He laid the foundation of Islamic nizam in Pakistan

3. He purged the banking system of ribah.

4. He promoted Islamic education among the public.

5. He presented the real message of Islam among the common man.

6. He promoted the mujahideen so that Pakistan could be saved from the clutches of Soviet imperialism.
I won't strangle your character like others but being a senior member i can only say that avoid posting useless arguments. Pakistani nation is not that much foolish or it is not the same nation that was subjected to ruthless policies of Zia.
It knows quite well who is right and who was wrong.
Hence, give facts and figures to support your arguments otherwise seeking silence is the best option.

May Allah bless you in all future endeavors and give you enough courage to face the reality.

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Well i called Zia a hypocrite and that is why i like him. I call him Machiavelli's prince for the same reason. Pakistan's problems can be solved only through tyranny and atrocity. Free media and all this stuff does not suit Pakistan.
Sir, if we are in dire need of a megalomaniac tyrant dictator; he should have attributes like those of Mao, Lenin, or even Stalin and Hitler. These tyrants had a vision for their people and they struggled with their blood and sweat to come in power and implement it. And for them implementation of their vision was a matter of life and death, not sticking to power. And people were also disciplined enough to follow their tyrant rulers through all ups and downs. The sole vision of your "Prince" was to keep himself in power, and for that he was a lackey to all those who kept him in power (mullah, military and america) and tyrant to all those who opposed his masters (I can bet had PPP reconciled with the Americans in those days, Great Leader wouldn't have any problems accommodating them in government ). Hassan Nisar ke mutabiq "yahan pe to dictatorship bhi jaali aati hai" .
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Dear All Anti Zia Regime: All what iam hearing is "negatives" that is heard from our elders, suppressed and biased media, and finally the chaotic events succeded zia which i credit to mis-management of myopic leadership succeded him...One neutral question: how much of you think that Zia regimes fruits or again being neutral, real events are narrated without biasness? what we hear and talk today, arent these the same rhetoric that our politicians are using to hide their lack of capacity to run state affairs...I do respect Z.A.Bhutto despite of his shameful 1971 act but do any body of our leadership has such Bhutto's courage and long-sightedness?? Zia has started and strongly proceeded some vital programs in Pakistan. Space projects like sparco, Nuclear project started by Bhutto was greatly proceeded...I wish some body like Z.A. Bhutto should have come than you will see how the game would end in our favour...Histroy has been narrated so badly and after it our leaders left no stone unturned to capitalize from all "negatives" of zia regime and worked on it to floursih these negatives...
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Dear members, i have read your replies patiently. I wont lose temper like you have done. I might be devil's advocate but definitely Pakistan needs a tyrant to resolve the mess. Zia.ul.haq might be devil incarnate but in his times Pakistan was far better than it is today. If you will criticize him for the sake of criticism then it is your decision. Pakistanis always understand late, when time has passed. We will never learn if we dont want to understand the issues at home.
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Zia.ul.haq might be devil incarnate but in his times Pakistan was far better than it is today. If you will criticize him for the sake of criticism then it is your decision. Pakistanis always understand late, when time has passed. We will never learn if we dont want to understand the issues at home.
Sir; hamesha beej pehle boya jaata hai aur fasal baad main kaati jaati hai, Zia-ul-Haq ne jo beej boye us kee fasal ham aaj kaat rahe hain , us se pehle jo bhi fasal thi us ko Zia ne jala dia . And yes, Pakistanis were very late to understand what seeds Zia-ul-Haq had sown, that is why even his Sharif spiritual sons turned their backs on his grave so late .
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Dear members, i have read your replies patiently. I wont lose temper like you have done. I might be devil's advocate but definitely Pakistan needs a tyrant to resolve the mess. Zia.ul.haq might be devil incarnate but in his times Pakistan was far better than it is today. If you will criticize him for the sake of criticism then it is your decision. Pakistanis always understand late, when time has passed. We will never learn if we dont want to understand the issues at home.
dear we gave you logical replies but you didn't reply like that and you fixed on your point, here we are for discussion, it is not matter of ego... you must try to understand that what is reality. and consider it as a solution of this thread......... thanks
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Last thing that i discussed from my father: We are quite conservative people and he is very into politics, and what he says "He was a great liar, did everything to prolong his own regime, and its best example was fake so-called "Islamic referendum" He was a "Pithoo" of America because when he President Mushtaq of Bangladesh asked for making confedration of Pak-Bangladesh, he refused by saying"America naraz hojaye ga", so yes bad things were there, but we couldnt overlook good things brother...there are yet alot of factors never came on the table and may be will never...
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but we couldnt overlook good things brother...
What good things, AK47s, RPG7s, Heroine, Chars, Afeem, Gancha and scores of religious and ethnic miscreants, are these good things , not to mention military officers in civilian departments.
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Last thing that i discussed from my father: We are quite conservative people and he is very into politics, and what he says "He was a great liar, did everything to prolong his own regime, and its best example was fake so-called "Islamic referendum" He was a "Pithoo" of America because when he President Mushtaq of Bangladesh asked for making confedration of Pak-Bangladesh, he refused by saying"America naraz hojaye ga", so yes bad things were there, but we couldnt overlook good things brother...there are yet alot of factors never came on the table and may be will never...
Actually i am not saying that Zia was good, i am saying that such kind of person is needed who can come on the screen and get rid of these plunderers. He was a liar, cheat, fraud but for me he was good. Pakistanis dont understand language of love, they need the stick to keep them in line.
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All what iam hearing is "negatives" that is heard from our elders, suppressed and biased media, and finally the chaotic events succeded zia which i credit to mis-management of myopic leadership succeded him...
From elders and biased media, you say? The entire country is filled with arms, there are sectarian killings everyday and the Taliban are on our doorstep. Or is this all a lie?

Brother Zia laid the foundation of religious extremist and the Kalashnikov culture. He laid the groundwork for the emergence of the Taliban and other extremist groups. It was Zia who started this "proxy" culture.

You say that due to the mismanagement of subsequent governments, we could not capitalize on the gains that Zia had made. Please tell me what Zia would have done? Would he have annexed India? Or would we be ruling large parts of USSR? Please enlighten us to what Zia would have done had he lived 10 more years.
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