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according the political scenario of the world "WE NEED MUSHARAF NOW"
time will tell about the conditions later.

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Yeah u are right coz we dont have any other good option at all. May be we give a chance to Imran Khan.

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Agreed to ahmed66. If we are talking about illegitimacy of governance, then we should be aware of the fact that what good in comparison is attributed to the so called legitimate political governments of Pakistan. Did they threw Pakistan on the road to success?
While in comparison, the army rule has atleast done so in regard of developing the private sector and building new energy resources for Pakistan. And I think that these actions will have a long term impact on our economy. For his foriegn policies, I must say that he is not the only one who has been wrong with his decisions, what about the others who had also been pro-americans. I dont remember any government in Pakistan which was not pro-american. Yet on the other hand, we can count numerous good points in his regime, which are facilitating the environments of growth and some time from the american madness of anti-terrorism oops, sorry, anti-muslim terrorism
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Well other governments are pro-american. That is true to an extent but all those governments did not prosper Pakistan the way Musharaf is prospering it. Another point is that the situaion was not this much critial in the past. Musharaf is holding the reins of pakistan at very critical time.

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I m also for Musharraf to stay... in the recently concluded trip to the USA, the way our president advocated the Palestinian cause and the need for its settlement was never done atleast by any Pakistani President or PM.
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This is a Fault-line view having the deepest observation of our geography which will prove 2 b our destiny.

This is an article by Dr. Shahid Javed Burki "Geography is destiny"

4 views

1) Pakistan has significant importance in the most wanted area.
2) A great game is going 2 play in this area.
3) War among Energy-deficient Giants and Pakistan should become a hinge.
4) Reformists Vs Extremists

Ur view is

I think Pakistan's faith won’t be like those of Afghanistan and Iraq. Situations are pretty different. After all, we are an atomic power. We are doing at our best.US has good relations with us. There are some other reasons too.


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If u have a critical analytic approach on all this scenario of international politics, u can easily and rightly say,

"India is an asset 4 US and Pakistan is a liability"

Pakistan has no international threat coz she is necessarily required by US with its nuclear power against India.

If Islamic extremists and landed aristocracy meet and have consensus 2 work with each other against Musharraf, then a confused situation of law and order will b there in interior of the country that it can have civil war within the country like Iraq and Afghanistan.

1) Inflation is increased by 300 %.
2) The country secured 144th rank among 154 countries in the report resulted of 7 surveys by “Transparency International” in 2005 in Pakistan.
3) Foreign investors have very much threats 2 start business in Pakistan.
4) Economy is based on consumption not investment like Maxico-1994 (that collapsed within a year)
5) Corrupt Privatization of National Assets
6) Political Uncertainty due 2 Election-2007 and attitude of Assembly Members

Above issues will help Extremists and landed aristocracy against the Government 2 convert this war into a civil-war which will b resulted in collapse of the Atomic State of Islam internally. There are big signs of above possible threat.

So,

Restoration of the constitutional order is the only possible way 2 save the country.
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@ Yasir Hayat khan

When u sell ur honour and soul then u can get "Camp David Invitation" but it's strange that Washington Post went 2 call President Musharraf "A Meretricious Military Ruler" and put 5 allegations on ur honorable and stayable president,

1) No Militry action against Pashtune militants
2) No reforms in Madrassahs
3) No action against extremists 2 stop infiltration in Indian territory
4) Pardoning of the greatest criminal of the history Dr. Abdul-Qadeer Khan
5) No true democaracy

"Sab Achha hai" and "I know better" of "president Musharraf" will prove very disastrous 4 the nation

This is a question of the day of Pakistan that Islamabad has strained relation with Washington..........coz............. US looks both nations (India and Pakistan) with different eye.

And it is based on realistic approach coz.....
India secured 88th rank among 154 countries and her standing is with Iran. How can v demand equal treatment by foreigners on any in ternational forum.

v would hav 2 change ourself coz Allah and Iqba say that...

Khuda nay aaj tak uss qaum ki haalat nahin badli
na ho jis khayal aap apni haalat k badalnay ka

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stay cooooooooooooool

AA-e-n-e-no say darna, tarz-e-kuhan pay ud-na
manzil yahi kathhin hay qomo ki zindagi mein

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This is a Fault-line view having the deepest observation of our geography which will prove 2 b our destiny

This is an article by Dr. Shahid Javed Burki "Geography is destiny"

4 views

1) Pakistan has significant importance in the most wanted area.
2) A great game is going 2 play in this area.
3) War among Energy-deficient Giants and Pakistan should become a hinge.
4) Reformists Vs Extremists


Ur view is

I think Pakistan's faith won’t be like those of Afghanistan and Iraq. Situations are pretty different. After all, we are an atomic power. We are doing at our best.US has good relations with us. There are some other reasons too.


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If u have a critical analytic approach on all this scenario of international politics, u can easily and rightly say,

"India is an asset 4 US and Pakistan is a liability"

Pakistan has no international threat coz she is necessarily required by US with its nuclear power against India.
Yeah US wont bother Pakistan in any regard coz it really need pakistan. that is an open fact. I agree to this point of yours. Pakistan's nuclear programme is playing a cruial role in this regard. But i was asking about Musharaf, so i would like to add that US also needs Musharaf for the sake of his plan's success.


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If Islamic extremists and landed aristocracy meet and have consensus 2 work with each other against Musharraf, then a confused situation of law and order will b there in interior of the country that it can have civil war within the country like Iraq and Afghanistan.

1) Inflation is increased by 300 %.
2) The country secured 144th rank among 154 countries in the report resulted of 7 surveys by “Transparency International” in 2005 in Pakistan.
3) Foreign investors have very much threats 2 start business in Pakistan.
4) Economy is based on consumption not investment like Maxico-1994 (that collapsed within a year)
5) Corrupt Privatization of National Assets
6) Political Uncertainty due 2 Election-2007 and attitude of Assembly Members

Above issues will help Extremists and landed aristocracy against the Government 2 convert this war into a civil-war which will b resulted in collapse of the Atomic State of Islam internally. There are big signs of above possible threat.

So,

Restoration of the constitutional order is the only possible way 2 save the country.
Chances of civil war are there coz people of pakitan are fed up with their rulers as well as politicians. The situation in Balochistan and Waziristan is also displaying a dreadful picture. May be they become the rationales of this expected civil war against Musharaf.

But another point is that Musharaf is also enough smart to over take the problems thats why no civil war started up till now. Hope things will be ok for long. Mushara is doing at iots best to overcome these extremists. US is also playing his part in this regard.

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@ impossible

I think the key topic is " Do we need Musharaf ???"

wat US wants or not...... It may differ with our thoughts or wishes.
In my opinion "Restoration of constitution is the only way 2 save the country



Great Scholar Iqbal says

zamaana aaya hay bay hijabi ka, aaam deedar-e-yaar ho ga
sakoot tha parda-daar jis ka, wo raaz ab aashkaar ho ga

Guzar gaya ab wo dor-e-saaqi k chhup k peetay thay peenay walay
banay ga sara jahan may-khana, har koi baada-khawar ho ga

kabhi jo aawara-e-junoo thay, wo bastiyon mein phhir aa milein gay
barahna-pai wohi rahay gi, magay naya khar-zaar ho ga

suna dia gosh-e-munta-zir ko Hijaz ki khamshi nay aakhir
jo ehd sehraion say bandha gaya tha, phhir ustawar ho ga

nikal k sehra say jis nay Roma ki saltanat ko ulat dia tha
suna hay yeh Qudsiyon say mein nay, wo sher phhir hoshiyaar ho ga

kia mera tazkira jo saqi naybada-khawaron ki anjuman mein
to pir-e-may-khana s-u-n k bola k moo-phhat hay khawar ho ga

Diyar-e-maghrib k rehnay walo khuda ki basti dukaan nahin hay
khhara jisay tum samajh rahay ho wo ab zar-e-kam ayaar ho ga

Tumhari tehzib apnay khanjar say aap he khudkushi karay gi
jo shakh-e-nazuk pay aashiyaana banay ga na-pa-i-dar ho ga

safina-e-barg-e- gul bana lay ga qafila moor-e-na-tawan ka
hazaar mojon ki ho kasha-kash, magar yeh daria say paar ho ga

chaman mein laala dikhhaata phhirta hay daagh apna kali kali ko
yeh janta hay k iss dikhhaway say dil-jalon mein shumaar ho ga

jo aik tha aey nigah tu nay hazaar kar k hamein dikhaya
yahi agar kaffiyat hay teri, to phhir kisay aet-i-bar ho ga

kaha jo qumri say mein any ik din, yahan k azad pa-bay-gil hein
to gun-chay kehnay lagay, hamaray chaman ka yeh raaz-daar ho ga

Khuda k aashiq to hein hazaron, banoo mein phhirtay hein maaray maaray
mein uss ka banda banoo ga jis ko, khuda k bandon say piar ho ga

yeh rasm-e-bazm-e-fana hay aey dil, gunaah hay jum-bi-sh-e-nazar b
rahay gi kia aabroo hamari jo tu yahan bay-qaraar ho ga

mein zulmat-e-shab mein lay k mikloon ga apnay dar-maan-da kaarwan ko
sharar-fishan ho gi aah meri, nafas mera shola-baar ho ga

Nahin hay ghair-az-namood kuchh b jo mud-dua teri zindagi ka
to ik nafas mein jahan say mitna, tujay misaal-e-sharaar ho ga

na poochh iqbal ka thhikaana, abhi wohi kaifiyyat hay uss ki
kahin sar-e-rah-guzaar baithha sitam-kash-e-intizaar ho ga
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@ impossible

I think the key topic is " Do we need Musharaf ???"

wat US wants or not...... It may differ with our thoughts or wishes.
In my opinion "Restoration of constitution is the only way 2 save the country



Great Scholar Iqbal says

zamaana aaya hay bay hijabi ka, aaam deedar-e-yaar ho ga
sakoot tha parda-daar jis ka, wo raaz ab aashkaar ho ga

Guzar gaya ab wo dor-e-saaqi k chhup k peetay thay peenay walay
banay ga sara jahan may-khana, har koi baada-khawar ho ga

kabhi jo aawara-e-junoo thay, wo bastiyon mein phhir aa milein gay
barahna-pai wohi rahay gi, magay naya khar-zaar ho ga

suna dia gosh-e-munta-zir ko Hijaz ki khamshi nay aakhir
jo ehd sehraion say bandha gaya tha, phhir ustawar ho ga

nikal k sehra say jis nay Roma ki saltanat ko ulat dia tha
suna hay yeh Qudsiyon say mein nay, wo sher phhir hoshiyaar ho ga

kia mera tazkira jo saqi naybada-khawaron ki anjuman mein
to pir-e-may-khana s-u-n k bola k moo-phhat hay khawar ho ga

Diyar-e-maghrib k rehnay walo khuda ki basti dukaan nahin hay
khhara jisay tum samajh rahay ho wo ab zar-e-kam ayaar ho ga

Tumhari tehzib apnay khanjar say aap he khudkushi karay gi
jo shakh-e-nazuk pay aashiyaana banay ga na-pa-i-dar ho ga

safina-e-barg-e- gul bana lay ga qafila moor-e-na-tawan ka
hazaar mojon ki ho kasha-kash, magar yeh daria say paar ho ga

chaman mein laala dikhhaata phhirta hay daagh apna kali kali ko
yeh janta hay k iss dikhhaway say dil-jalon mein shumaar ho ga

jo aik tha aey nigah tu nay hazaar kar k hamein dikhaya
yahi agar kaffiyat hay teri, to phhir kisay aet-i-bar ho ga

kaha jo qumri say mein any ik din, yahan k azad pa-bay-gil hein
to gun-chay kehnay lagay, hamaray chaman ka yeh raaz-daar ho ga

Khuda k aashiq to hein hazaron, banoo mein phhirtay hein maaray maaray
mein uss ka banda banoo ga jis ko, khuda k bandon say piar ho ga

yeh rasm-e-bazm-e-fana hay aey dil, gunaah hay jum-bi-sh-e-nazar b
rahay gi kia aabroo hamari jo tu yahan bay-qaraar ho ga

mein zulmat-e-shab mein lay k mikloon ga apnay dar-maan-da kaarwan ko
sharar-fishan ho gi aah meri, nafas mera shola-baar ho ga

Nahin hay ghair-az-namood kuchh b jo mud-dua teri zindagi ka
to ik nafas mein jahan say mitna, tujay misaal-e-sharaar ho ga

na poochh iqbal ka thhikaana, abhi wohi kaifiyyat hay uss ki
kahin sar-e-rah-guzaar baithha sitam-kash-e-intizaar ho ga
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When u sell ur honour and soul then u can get "Camp David Invitation" but it's strange that Washington Post went 2 call President Musharraf "A Meretricious Military Ruler" and put 5 allegations on ur honorable and stayable president,

1) No Militry action against Pashtune militants
2) No reforms in Madrassahs
3) No action against extremists 2 stop infiltration in Indian territory
4) Pardoning of the greatest criminal of the history Dr. Abdul-Qadeer Khan
5) No true democaracy

"Sab Achha hai" and "I know better" of "president Musharraf" will prove very disastrous 4 the nation

This is a question of the day of Pakistan that Islamabad has strained relation with Washington..........coz............. US looks both nations (India and Pakistan) with different eye.

And it is based on realistic approach coz.....
India secured 88th rank among 154 countries and her standing is with Iran. How can v demand equal treatment by foreigners on any in ternational forum.

v would hav 2 change ourself coz Allah and Iqba say that...

Khuda nay aaj tak uss qaum ki haalat nahin badli
na ho jis khayal aap apni haalat k badalnay ka

Restoration of constitution is the only way 2 save the country
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