Dont de-track.....policing is another factor...but do these militias not present before zia???why him? Z.A bhuttohas has his private Badmasho ki army...Murtaza bhutto bhi plane hijack kr rha tha weapons ke sath...USSR attack se phle...alot of things are goin on...dont put all burden over him...me sath sath uski bad things bhi accept kr rha hun that he dint punished the narcotics importer and user the way islam suggests and he changed alot of Islamic punishments according to his will...but dear he himself personally was a good practitioner of Islam but parallel to it used Islam brutally and blackmailed us...still pakistan took some steps toward a religious society..nw again dont drag shia-sunni riots as they are exceptions and yes bad things as well

No matter how you try to spin it, there were way fewer weapons when Zia came to power than when he left. This is a FACT.


Man the guy was literally playing with Islam!

No, we actually took A LOT of steps towards a extremist society.

I love the style and charisma of Zia. Such a person deserves to be the ruler, atleast he had great style. People were flogged not for fun sake but for purging the society of evils. Today internet and cable have destroyed the very basis of society.

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dear but why, give your statement if it is meaningful than we all will agree with you and conclusion will be in favor of you but before this you have to prove that zia was able for that .............

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Let me tell you the summary of a story:

Zia went to Khane kaaba. While he was in kabba, the prince at that time announced the sacred event of changing the chadar of kaaba and announced that a person who never left the asar namaz would have to come forward and take lead in changing the chadar. Zia said he never left asar ki namaz so prince announced that zia would be leading the sacred ceremony. after performing the sacred ceremony, zia started weeping, his secretary asked the reason for it. Zia said, i performed the sacred ceremony but on the other hand people got to know that i never left asar ki namaz.

Such kind of person he was. No leader ever performed such sacred thing. He was very pious person. Please stop writing negative things about him, he is no more here. Please its a request. Jo chala gaye he os ko to chor do, now the responsibilities are looming around our head. Its time for us to move forward. One who stuck in his past never got the chance of moving forward.
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Brother argue with logic, not with sentimental statements. Such a person he was. Indeed! Muslims are still dying because of him and you are stuck on emotional stories about him.

Sir you keep repeating the mantra of "Zia was good, Zia was just, Zia was this and that", but you still haven't responded to many people, including myself, who pointed out Zia's faults and how his decisions have harmed Pakistan. Please talk about his policies, not his character. He may have been pious, but his actions caused irreparable harm to Pakistan.

You are on the internet right now.

wo insan he nahi he jis ma "jazbat" naam ki koi cheez na ho! anyways, Tumhare logics par liye or dekh iye sare hum ne.. sometimes, things couldnt be expressed with logics, and sometimes things unsaid are good..

Yaar let his (Zia) soul rest in peace. . definitely his soul will be in great pain such as everybody is cursing him here except @shallowwater. . Let this thread come to an end :P Don't waste your energy over Zia. . People thinks he and his policies were flawless i don't know how they are still commited to him :\

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Dont reply my arguments in the absurd way you do...yo got me? picking one thing out and leaving the reason of telling that nowhere... take a pain to paste the last part of the above quoted argument....you want argument or to learn from the discussion going..
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.still pakistan took some steps toward a religious society..nw again dont drag shia-sunni riots as they are exceptions and yes bad things as well

And why do you say that there will be more weapons per capita 50 years down the line? And leave 50 years and 100 years and all these long times aside my friend. Just tell me this: WHY was there a DRASTIC INCREASE in weapons in Pakistan during Zia's rule? Or do you think that this is all propaganda and there was no drastic increase in number of weapons.

And you are damn right the war changed the game! Zia let Pakistan be used like tissue paper by the Americans. Just so that he and his entourage could remain in power, he fought the American's war, tore apart the very fabric of our society and lay the groundwork for religious extremism. All this just so that he could remain in power!


I think, my friend that it is you who fail to understand the gravity of the situation. The country has been torn apart by extremism and terrorist organizations like the Taliban (and a dozen others) and you are still praising the man responsible for all this. Zia did nothing right. He was nothing more than a liar: he lied his way to power, he lied for a decade to the people of Pakistan and he is still lying through people like you.



What was good about his character? Praying 5 times a day does not make a man good when he has so much blood on his hands. Bhutto didn't use Islam like Zia did, he didn't shout "Islam, Islam!" every two seconds like Zia did. Zia portrayed himself as a devout and pious Muslim. What he did does not correspond with how devout Muslims should act. That also makes him a class A hypocrite.